[ SECRET POST #2195 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2195 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

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[shukivengeance]

Nothing wrong with preferring subtlety imo, especially if you find canonic material problematic.

[femme_androgyne]

If I have to choose just one, can't I have lesbian storylines that aren't poorly written? Just a thought.

[fenm]

THIS.

Ya know I honestly like subtle, subtext-y couples, too. My problem is that when it comes F/F or M/M couples, that's almost all we ever get. d-:

[caecilia]

I don't think I'd say I like to be queerbaited, but hell yes I love subtext (if you haven't played Pokemon, I recommend it. So many girls ambiguously flirting with your character.)

I think your point about lesbian plotlines is a good one and I would say more but I have to go eat dinner. I'll be back in a bit.

...okay the only other thing I had to add was that there are a few lesbian shows and movies that are moving away from the "one of them dies" ending. I recommend D.E.B.S. and I Can't Think Straight. And the tv show Exes and Ohs, which has a lot of UST and subtext but...the main characters are all gay or bi women. Oh and also Fingersmith by Sarah Waters!

[(Anonymous)]

Heck, I prefer subtext in het storylines to the couple actually getting together.

[(Anonymous)]

me too

i think this is a more of a case of writers being infamously shitty at writing romance than anything else, just with the side scoop of problematicness visibility stuff that comes with non-heteronormative stuff

[(Anonymous)]

+1 to that plus what anon above me said. I'd rather have subtext then horribly written romances, especially when that ends up being all the show/movie/book focuses on.

Subtext also is fun for fandom to basically let them ship what they want to ship without completely ignoring canon.

[(Anonymous)]

Completely agree, anon. I'm a hardcore femslasher, but I've found that my favourite pairings are those with a mind-blowing amount of subtext that still hasn't been officially "acknowledged" by TPTB, whereas all the canon lesbian romances everyone on Tumblr fangirls their pants off just leave me cold (Bomb Girls, Lost Girl, Warehouse 13, Tierra de Lobos and all the other Spanish soaps with lesbians, etc.) I don't know why that is but I find it less stressful to invest in it, since I'm not really expecting them to become canon at any point.

(The only exception is Rizzoli & Isles, which I got bored with at the beginning of last season, though I suspect that was mostly because of the excessive gay-panicking from TPTB and the actresses themselves. That shit is really unattractive.)

[(Anonymous)]

For me, it's that canon relationships (be they het, f/f, or m/m) never seem to have as good (or as much) fic or fandom presence. I know there are some exceptions (Glee in general), but that's definitely a factor for me.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I think most people prefer their gays in the closet.

[(Anonymous)]

I always feel like such a bad lesbian for thinking this but yeah I agree. I just don't like pairings I enjoy becoming canon whether they're het or gay. They never live up to how I imagine they'll be and it becomes...boring. Picking out subtext is always my favorite part of watching a show (YMMV of course)

[velvet_mace]

Me too. In part because it allows for more options in my imagination on how and who would be together, and partly because I prefer my shows not to be cluttered up too much with canon romances. Inevitably they turn out to be the most boring part and they take precious time away from developing a far more interesting plot. A little subtext is all I need.

[intrigueing]

Tbh, I can't think of a canon gay or lesbian relationship on television between main characters that a) I liked and felt for and b) didn't end horribly. Plus, I like subtexty ho yay/les yay. It's more fun when it's sneaky like that. (And I also really wish more het romances would be subtexty and non-explicit and stay that way, btw.)

That being said, I do wish there were actually some good explicit canon gay/lesbian romances to appease my frustration about their absence. That's a very separate desire from my enjoyment of subtexty relationships.

[(Anonymous)]

Not the point of the secret, but anybody else have a WTF? moment over those shoes?

[(Anonymous)]

I think if we're being realistic here most people prefer baiting of any kind over canon because a lot of the fun is in the shipping.

You know when the ship bait couple of the show finally get together that the show is probably getting cancelled because people get bored.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between subtlety and queerbaiting. If two same-sex characters aren't officially dating anyone, but have a very beautiful friendship that can easily be interpreted romantically, that's subtlety. If two same-sex characters have a beautiful friendship and everyone is always mistaking them for gay, but look at how gay they're not! Look at all the heterosexual sex they're having with other people! that's queerbaiting.

As a lesbian, I'm much more okay with the former.

[darkmanifest]

Yeah, I prefer ambiguity, too, because very few canon couples are just quietly together, or even quietly flirting, off to the side without any particular melodrama, and it's worse with gay couples. The minute the romance turns explicit, things start getting awkward, the plot's derailed, the couple is replaced with pod people, someone gets fridged, whatever. I dunno why. All one usually has to do to keep a pairing from crashing and burning is leave them alone, outside of subtle little moments to remind us that they're close. But that would be boring to some people, I guess?

[unicornherds]

I prefer subtext in pretty much everything. I find a lot of romances written very poorly and would much rather leave it open to different interpretations.

My issue with the shows is the queerbaiting and then giving the characters a canon het relationship. I don't mind subtext, but I hate the subtext and then "Ha, but no. Srsly they're straight. see! They have a boy/girlfriend!" That is my issue with "queerbaiting".

[(Anonymous)]

The only slash pairing on TV that became canon and that I've ever shipped was Jack/Ianto from Torchwood.

Yup, that turned out real well for me. *rolls eyes* Seriously, is it possible for a gay/lesbian couple that isn't pre-established to survive a run on a TV show whose premise isn't centered around gayness without one of them dying?

I'll take recs....

[dref22]

All I know is, I just love this show. XD

[cloud_riven]

I kind of agree, only because I find I'm generally not very interested in most canon/canonized romances anyways. The subtext and ust is kind of my favourite thing.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

I don't mind subtext, or straight with friendly flirtiness. I just don't think it should be a substitute for a well written lesbian relationship.

And yes, the crazy/dead/pregnant/texting a dude plots make me cry on the inside.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing wrong with enjoying ambiguity in your pairings. I tend to prefer that too. But just ambiguity is not queerbaiting. queerbaiting is far more the show and the producers joining in to make the constant 'haha look how gay this character dynamic is, hey lets have some random people mistake them as gay again (even though it adds nothing to the story line), haha, cause that is always funny when they have to deny it. better have them have sex with some normal heterosexual people then to make sure you know we aren't actually thinking of making them queers'.

[miarrow]

I'd like both. On OUAT I would really honestly love to have Red/Belle and Mulan/Aurora (especially the latter because it is SO FREAKING RIDICULOUS as is and I can't stand that it's not canon), but all the rest of the LesYay pairings are fun and have a lot of female reaction resulting in them. I think a lot of the times friendships are that deep too and we kind of only get to see them when they are slightly queerbaiting.