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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-01-17 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #2207 ]


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insanenoodlyguy: (Default)

It's a k-popatriarchy.

[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2013-01-18 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
by sweet they mean divoted robot slavegirl. By Naive just stupid enough that you always have to explain it to her (But she learns). By pure they mean until in their bed.

+1000

(Anonymous) 2013-01-18 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
obv OP hasn't been listening very closely

+1

(Anonymous) 2013-01-18 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Virgin-shaming is shitty but that's not exactly why western fans tend to have a problem with this mindset. What these guys are talking about is extreme subservience, very good at being a housewife and nothing else, putting girls on a pedestal/as an object to enhance their life, rather than a person.

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2013-01-18 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
Srs. It's the anti-feminism that's coded into those words that make westerners rage, not "slut" or "virgin" shaming.

They want someone childlike (which usually results in a horrifying beauty ideal too) they need to protect from the world, not an adult partner they can treat as an equal.

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2013-01-18 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
How do western fans know that's what they 'really mean'? o_0 did everyone else get mindreading skills with their interned access portal, 'cause I'm pissed if I missed out on that.
insanenoodlyguy: (Default)

Re: +1

[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2013-01-18 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Consider their horrible culture honestly. It's the most likely interpretation.

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2013-01-18 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt

It's not mindreading, it's that when I read "their ideal type is innocent/pure/sweet" I'm immediately reminded of many real life situations in which men (of all ethnicities) thought it was appropriate to explain why they preferred asian women.
diet_poison: (Default)

Re: +1

[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-01-18 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, did they really say things like that though???

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2013-01-18 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
Different anon, but I've dealt with similar attitudes from various dudes. I think the most blatantly it's been laid out to me is that Western women are great as friend/fuckbuddies, but Asain women are better wives because they're modest and obedient and don't expect to be treated as the equals of men.
diet_poison: (Default)

Re: +1

[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-01-18 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
That is just......

I mean part of it is I can't believe people would be so blatant in saying that. I hope the men who want/think they want a perfect, obedient, submissive wife never get married (or get married to someone who isn't like that, and learn better).

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2013-01-18 08:42 am (UTC)(link)
They really did! I had one co-worker in particular who talked about sexual things, but in my experience socially awkward guys can be painfully transparent about their underlying insecurities/prejudices.
diet_poison: (Default)

Re: +1

[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-01-18 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean insecurity is one thing though. But to actually, consciously expect a subservient and submissive wife? *barf*

And a lot of people are socially awkward for various reasons, so I don't think there's a definite connection there. But maybe for some that is true.
yeahscience: (Default)

[personal profile] yeahscience 2013-01-18 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
It doesn't take mind-reading, anon, to develop an understanding of a non-Western culture.

Re: It's a k-popatriarchy.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-18 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this is the "if she doesn't know any better she'll have low standards and think I'm awesome" mindset.

And NO ONE ELSE WILL HAVE HER.
wauwy: (ew)

Re: It's a k-popatriarchy.

[personal profile] wauwy 2013-01-18 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
lol yup

Someone here doesn't know how men think. No offense, ofc