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[ SECRET POST #2220 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2220 ⌋

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[Sherlock, The Hobbit, Doctor Who]

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It is just as bad as being a weeaboo, and people are the same about it. I've seen numerous Britaboos going on about how the UK is totally not homophobic at all because of not actually gay couples in shows. I've even seen US fans insist on spelling things the British way because British things are so amazing. lol.

The reaction to Elementary reeked of Britaboo as well. So many fans going on about how obviously Watson was turned into a woman because American television can't handle homosexual subtext like those super progressive UK shows! Never mind that queer-baiting is not progressive, and even if it were, it's extremely common in US shows as well.

The UK is a lot less homophobic then America tho.

And if you took out all the religious minorities that'd drop even further.

Portrayal of inter-racial relationships on TV is also another big one to take note of.

LGBTQ hate crimes are actually on the rise in the UK, but either way I never said that there was more homophobia/the same amount of homophobia in the UK. I said that there's homophobia, and it's ridiculous to argue that there isn't because of queer-baiting (which again, is super common in both countries) on a fictional show. Well it's ridiculous to argue that there isn't period, but yeah. It's not a pro-gay utopia and it's damn insulting to actual LGBTQ citizens for Britaboos to act like it is.

Anyway, people saying that the UK isn't homophobic because of Sherlock and Watson is ridiculous even if there WEREN'T a fair amount of homophobia in the UK. And acting like a US show would have any problem portraying a 'bromance' to the level of BBC Sherlock is ignorant and false because it's been done time and time again.

It's the same thing as weeaboos acting like Japan must be totally gay-friendly because yaoi (although in all actuality, Japan is far less gay-friendly than the US).

Edited 2013-01-31 00:56 (UTC)

That doesn't really disprove anything. There's always myriad factors at play there.

Now I doubt people are saying 'look, bromance is reducing homophobia!', they're almost certainly going to be arguing its greater presence is evidence of a more tolerant culture. Which it is.

If bromance is evidence of a more tolerant culture, then I'm surprised that it's so massively common in the supposedly vastly more homophobic than the UK, US media. ;)

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I felt super welcome as a lesbian in England when holding hands with my girlfriend got me glared at, honked at, and flipped off...? And just all the general casual stuff on TV/whatever.

I guess England is a little better or something and they have civil unions, but I personally didn't see that much of a difference, to be honest.

Do you want to know how welcome I felt in Alabama?

Because nah, it's a pretty appreciable difference. Even if we're instead comparing say Seattle to our better places.

You're comparing one of the most progressive cities in the UK to one of the least progressive states in the US.

Walking around on the streets of Manhattan, NYC or Seattle with your partner is generally not going to be much different from walking on the streets with your partner in London, reaction wise.

I'm from and still live in Oklahoma. I know pretty well what it's like, and I still felt very uncomfortable being gay in England (been to several places, including London; London was a little better).

This isn't to say England is some kind of hate-filled hellhole--obviously not--but I wouldn't necessarily call it "way better" or hail it as a real progressive place anything, on the whole.

Some parts of the UK are much less homophobic than some parts of the US. This is also true in reverse. And as a neutral observer, I find British TV much more homophobic and transphobic than US TV (don't say "It's just British humor" either, because I've heard it all before and it's not an excuse).

The UK is a lot less homophobic then America tho

That's really not true. We've got good places and bad places like any other country.

Eeeh, not really. Their 'bad spots' for homophobia are just as bad as the USA ones, if not worse, and their 'good spots' still haven't legalized gay marriage.

Are you talking england, or britain? Norn Iron being a shithole for gay rights sure, but even the worst parts of say Nottingham still don't compare to the worst of the south.

And we had civil partnerships (which were literally in all but name the same as marriage) years ago, and are putting through the legislation to change it to marriage now.

Fuck it, I'm going to see if I can pull up some stats, because this has certainly not been my experience, and I'm always dubious of 'everything is the same, and nothing is different'.

Here we go http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/258.pdf

Yes, I'm sure that despite a 20% in acceptance rates (page 35), it's fair to say things are basically exactly the same.

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I'd have to agree with this. Actually, to be honest, I think the U.S. is probably one of the most, if not the most, homophobic developed nation in the world.

really!? better come out then! sure none of my friends will isolate me and call me a faggot!

So many fans going on about how obviously Watson was turned into a woman because American television can't handle homosexual subtext like those super progressive UK shows!

er, this is how i felt though-- not that the "bromance" horseshit in sherlock is progressive or different from america, but in elementary they're obviously kinda pushing for a romance between sherlock and femwatson and it just doesn't completely sit right with me. i remember seeing an interview with lucy liu where she said something along the lines of "watson as a woman has a relationship with sherlock that you just can't get with two men" followed my some stupid look-at-the-tension clip from the show. it's just... kinda weird.

The showrunner and writers have said repeatedly that they are not going to do a romance between Watson and Sherlock on Elementary. And so far it seems like the writers are keeping to their word.

da

wait is Elementary the America one or the other one? /not a fan of either...or british shows why am I even in this thread

whichever one with the girl!watson, I would hope they don't put them together justbecause gender difference because it would be rurgh. let her be an awesome watson without sexing it up with sherlock!

Elementary is the American one with the female Watson.

The showrunner and writers have said repeatedly they have no intention of ever putting Watson and Holmes in a romantic relationship, so I really wouldn't worry about that. Lucy Liu's Watson really is a fabulous female character.

Obviously turned into a woman to make them a couple?

The creators have said time and time again that they 100% plan to keep it platonic. I can't say that they absolutely won't change their mind in a future season, but as of now, they have no plans of romance. So no, that's not their reasoning.

obviously Watson was turned into a woman because American television can't handle homosexual subtext.

So... they missed the hugely popular Jude Law/RDJ movie where they openly said that Holmes and Watson argued like two old queens, and then the sequel where they decided that since the homosexual subtext was so popular with viewers, they ramped it up past the point where you could even call it 'subtext' anymore?

To be fair, that was almost definitely more about making money than being progressive or even positive about gay relationships.

Most all mainstream movies and TV are about making money. But if it makes money, then obviously the American public is okay with it.

Fucking thank you for saying it. Truth all over this comment.

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