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My problem is with the people who gush over it like it's adorable while looking at it with modern eyes.

I'm not criticizing ACD.

while looking at it with modern eyes.

And how do you know they are?

Because the fandom, particularly on tumblr is full of people being all and 'squee, that's the most wonderful, most romantic thing in the world, doesn't everyone wish they could have a relationship exactly like that' etc, appearing completely oblivious that it's actually very obsessive and co-dependant.

Not to mention that Holmes is actually kind of an asshole to Watson a lot of the time. Like how he made him think he was dead for three years, not because there was absolutely no other way and he felt really bad about doing it, but because he pretty much just decided Watson was too stupid to convince others he was really dead and acted like it was no big deal. And, the time he made him think he was dying, again because he thought he was too stupid to be trusted not the fuck up the plan if he knew about it. But everyone just says" BUT HE DID IT TO PROTEEEEEEECT HIM, HOW PREEEEEEEEEECIOUS" and ignores that it's exactly the sort of controlling I-get-to-make-decisions-for-you attitude that gets people frothing at the mouth about how abusive Edward is.

And when people offer any explanation of "but you realise Edward is supposed to be old fashioned he's from the 1900's" everyone just screams ABUSE APOLOGISER!

...lol

Selective reading is not your friend. "Everyone" says no such thing. Because, inter a great many alia, if you read ALL the stories, Watson holds his own more than you seem to think.
But if you honestly think their story is in any way comparable to Meyer's repellent dreck, please keep away from our fandom.

Being squicked or triggered by an unhealthy relationship doesn't make one an idiot with no understanding of context.

You sound like the idiots who argue there's nothing wrong with Dany/Drogo just because it was the way things were in the time it's set. It's perfectly possible to understand that something is acceptable in a historical context, and still not enjoy it.

NOT that I'm trying to directly compare the two relationships, of course- obviously Holmes is nothing like Drogo- just the attitude of the defenders of creepy old-timey ships.

No idea who Danny and Drogo are.

I'm not at all trying to say that 'it's OK because of the time it's set' - though some people here have clearly misunderstand the language used. I'm trying to say that it's not "unhealthy" to the extent that the Edward/Bella one clearly is. Holmes can be very difficult, but Watson is not a doormat; people need to read all the source material.

Dany and Drogo are characters from A Song of Ice and Fire. Danerys Targaryan and Khal Drogo of the Dothraki. The Dothraki are a nomadic warrior race, and Dany, at 13, is married off to Drogo to bring his warriors into alliance with her brother, Viserys.

She initially objected, because, well...13 years old and married off to an older man (from a culture very alien to the ones she was familiar with) against her will to serve the ambitions of her brother. But she eventually came to love Drogo (who, unlike Viserys, treated her well, despite the rather violent aspects of Dothraki culture - Dany's just about the only non-Dothraki woman encountered during those sections of the first book or two who isn't raped), and adapted to the Dothraki life. It's an interesting relationship (actually, one of the better ones in ASOIAF, as it's not abusive, incestuous, or both, and eventually grows beyond the political desires that created it).

Edited (Stray misspelling) 2013-01-31 17:13 (UTC)

Yes, a PEDOPHILIC relationship that started with forced sex that turned into Rape Is Love is not abusive at all and so much better than the other ones.

Anonymous does not know what 'pedophilic' or 'rape' mean.

Oh please, cut the bullshit, you know that a man over thirty having a boner for a thirteen year old child and fucking her is pedophilia and rape.

Ah, ok, thanks for context. My son has loaned me those books but I haven't got round to reading them yet.

Not exactly helping your argument here OP...

Edited (I am tired, and I can't find the right word... I tried. ) 2013-01-31 01:36 (UTC)

Are... you actually saying it's not unhealthily obsessive just because it wasn't considered as such in Victorian times? Because the 'something abusive is totes OK because old' argument is frequently soundly shot down on this comm.

My problem is with the people who gush over it like it's adorable while looking at it with modern eyes.

Was the part I was replying to, and it is slightly condescending to say that the people reading ACD (or classic literature in general) don't see the difference between how they acted/wrote/behaved then and how life is today and maybe possibly take that into account when reading something.

Again, then I'm not talking about you.

I don't mean every who likes it are idiots, I meant I'm disturbed by people who don't take the historical context into account and think it's a perfectly healthy relationship everyone should strive to have.

Addition: And I'm also talking about slash fandom, not actual canon. I don't think it's overly wrong of the canon because a) old and b) platonic. The true creepiness comes in when people think it would be healthy as a modern romance.

*facepalm* OP. Please. Stop. Your inability to read something while taking the social and cultural context into consideration is showing, and it pains me deeply.

Also a hint: many of us aren't reading it with "modern eyes" because we DO know the social and cultural context. That's why we don't equate it with a Bella/Edward relationship.

Then I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the kind of people who think it's something that should be emulated. And there are plenty of them.

Define "should be emulated". Finding it very touching that a cold, damaged, reserved man has hidden reserves of love for his loyal friend of many years' standing (and, yes, imagining them in a context in which they are more than friends) is hardly the same as "omg this is so perfect, there are no problems here."

Unless you imagine no-one can love someone in a romantic sense unless that person is one's complete equal and never did things that hurt one. In which case good luck.

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