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Really? It's been quite a while since I saw either movie, but I don't recall any particular bitchiness from either of them.

mostly it's just a kind of bitter attitude, i don't really think jasmine was a bitch, just bitchy at times. especially as compared to ariel.

Huh. I always read the difference more as Ariel being too unbelievably naive to understand her situation and react to it like a rational, informed person.

well, she is very naive. although i don't know what that has to do with being bitchy or not. you can be rational, informed, and bitchy. you can also be naive and bitchy.

compared to ariel anyone who isn't smiling or sulking comes off as 'bitchy'.

Jasmine is just way more likely to take charge regarding her boyfriend. she speaks up to him, whereas we're never shown Ariel doing that to Eric. I guess dudes like that?

compared to ariel anyone who isn't smiling or sulking comes off as 'bitchy'.

maybe? i wouldn't call most of the disney princesses bitchy.

and careful, you might be projecting there.

I wouldn't call any of the Disney princesses bitchy, including Jasmine.

Same. And to be honest, Ariel really annoys me.

I wouldn't call her 'bitchy', but I recently wound up rewatching Snow White at the childcare center where I work and was surprised at how much she ticked me off.

Was it the voice?

I cut Snow White some slack because she's a thirteen year old girl who was nearly murdered and chased off into the woods.

I can't stand Snow White either. It's partly the voice, and partly the stupid, which I can't write off as trauma.

Also, love your icon. :)

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greenvelvetcake - 2013-02-12 03:09 (UTC) - Expand

Partially the voice (especially when she sings- ouch), partially how patronizing she is towards the dwarves. She kind of goes "oh, you're not little children, you're little men!" in one scene and then proceeds to treat them like small children for most of her subsequent scenes with them.

thezmage - 2013-02-12 17:26 (UTC) - Expand

It should also get some slack for being made in 1937. ... Actually, considering that, it isn't too bad.

cupcakefiasco - 2013-02-13 15:05 (UTC) - Expand

Yeah, it's the voice for me. Too squeaky. Too nasal. That vibrato. That and I keep getting distracted by her complete lack of boob. It's one thing when she's super young and running off into the forest, but when some dude is riding off with her on his horse to make sexy time, a little development, please, keep it legal.

But I get that it was the thirties and the first Disney animated feature and how far to go was still being worked out.

diet_poison - 2013-02-12 16:59 (UTC) - Expand

Oh, I'm not the original comenter. I was just using their term, though I don't agree any princess is actually bitchy.

Ariel doesn't oppose her love interest, though, and only shows anger/fear when a terrible thing has been done to her. Jasmine just seems more aware of what she is and isn't willing to put up with regarding herself. there IS a culture of expecting women to be more passive regarding that.

Jasmine had reason. Calling her bitchy or even just bitter when she was being forced to take a husband from a pool of pompous windbags is pretty unfortunate. I don't want my little girl absorbing some cornball old idea that a girl has to be all sugar and light even when she's facing a genuine problem.

why is it unfortunate? most people, if not all, face unfair circumstances, rules, or attitudes in their lives. but you can choose to handle it gracefully and not take it out on people around you. and while i don't really blame jasmine for being the way she was, she definitely had some bad attitude at times.

Who did she 'take it out' on? I saw her standing up to the princes who were treating her as an object in the first place, and she did it with firm, clear words and dignity, same as when she was trying to get her father to listen to her side of the issue. She didn't fly into a violent rage. She didn't destroy anyone's property. She didn't direct anything painfully inwards or turn into stalkery backstabbing stereotype. It's okay to not be sweetness and light all the time. It's okay for a girl to directly express anger. That's not automatically 'taking it out' on anybody. More little girls could stand to learn to handle themselves like Jasmine did.

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and I'm not even keen on that show

Well, she did kind of set her guard tiger on that one suitor, so her actions weren't limited to words. But guy was such a cruel asshole earlier in the movie (about to whip some kids for getting in his way) that I'm willing to bet he did something to earn it, so overall I agree.

Actually we never see her telling Raja to sic that guy, we just see him walking off with the hole in his pants. Raja could have stepped in all on his own on sensing tension towards his mistress, just like a protective family dog would. Either way the guy probably had it coming.

It's unfortunate because you're perpetuating the idea that women are never supposed to act angry even if they've got the best reasons in the world.