[ SECRET POST #2235 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2235 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Transformers More Than Meets the Eye #13]


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[Agent Romanov/Black Widow, MCU]


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04.
[Richard Armitage]


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05.
[James Bond: Skyfall]


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06.
[Frankie Boyle]


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07.
[Michael Trucco & Sandra Hess]


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08.
[Injustice: Gods Among Us]


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09.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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10.
[Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II, The Sith Lords]


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11.
[The Following]


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12.
[Battlestar Galactica and The Walking Dead]


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13.
[Game of Thrones]


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14.
[Jennifer Connelly]


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15.
[Castle]


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16.
[BBC's Robin Hood]


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17.
[The Most Popular Girls in School]


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18.
[Legend of Korra]


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19.
[Steam Powered Giraffe]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 018 secrets from Secret Submission Post #319.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[sugar_spun]

I can't believe there's anyone who ships these two. I mean, I can appreciate that Jaime is legitimately loving of his...sister...but it's just a vanity thing for Cersei as best I can tell.

I'm really glad to see him growing as a person. I don't really ship him with anyone, but probably anyone is better than her.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah Cersei's POV showed what a shitty person she was. And yet the show has the audacity to paint her as the "strong, independent woman in a patriarchal society". Ugh.

[fauxkaren]

I don't think the show is really doing that? I do think they're softening her a bit what with having Joffrey be the one to order the murder of Robert's bastards instead of Joffrey.

But idk.

I don't think Cersei is a good person. I don't think the show is trying to argue that she is.

But I think it's a really valid point that the sexism of her society has helped to shape Cersei to become the kind of person that she has become.

[sugar_spun]

Whaaat? I don't see that at all. I think the show makes it clear she's rather power hungry, but too pathetic and incompetent at the game to go anywhere or do anything. Not exactly because of her gender, although it's clear she blames it.

Seriously, I don't know how you read something like that into the show unless you're looking for a reason to hate the showrunners.

[(Anonymous)]

>Not exactly because of her gender, although it's clear she blames it.

Straw feminist

[sugar_spun]

What?

[(Anonymous)]

I do hate the showrunners because they're a pair of incompetent boobs who have derailed what could have been otherwise a great show.

But it's pretty obvious from reading the books and watching the show that they've gone out of her way to soften Cersei from the books and make her less of an outright villain. I mean she's a complex villain but a horrible person nonetheless. In the show she's your typical HBO antihero.

That they would A.) have her not kill Robert's bastards and B.) have her upset when Joffrey does shows how they view her character.

[(Anonymous)]

I dislike that almost as much as making Loras and Renly stereotypical gay caricatures from the 90's. IiiiCK blood! I don't liiike fighting, girlfriend. *feminine pout* *YMCA plays in the background*

[sugar_spun]

I presume Renly didn't like blood or fighting because that was supposed to be his weakness. All of the kings had a particular weakness as well as a strength:

Joffrey is very much hated (and incompetent), but is the sitting king from a rich family.
Stannis is not loved and has a small army, but has Melisandre and is the rightful king.
Renly is not a great commander or fighter, but is beloved and has a large army.
Robb is an untested commander, but proves very good at it and has a lot of loyalty.

Part of the problem with Renly is how obviously good his starting position was. It made it oh-so clear what was going to happen to him. I felt they wanted to give him a clear weakness to make it less obvious.

Besides being rather disgusted by blood and not a fighter, I can't really see why you'd call him a gay stereotype. Take out his scenes with Loras or referencing him, I'm not exactly seeing anyone possibly guessing.

[sugar_spun]

So literally one thing is changed about her and oh my god they've DEFILED her.

I think they gave it to Joffrey for a number of reasons: one, to make Joffrey actually seem like he might be a threat outside of the control of his family, to make him seem more evil, and yes, to make Cersei seem more palatable. Lastly, possibly because the writers thought of it as a really stupid move, and they wanted Cersei to seem not quite that stupid.

I really don't think she's supposed to be a hero, anti or otherwise. I think anyone who thinks she is has lost their mind, and again, really really wants to hate the showrunners for some reason.

[(Anonymous)]

Literally one thing? Have we watched the show?

Book!Cersei wouldn't have a wistful heart to heart with Robert about their failed marriage. Heck, BooK!Cersei wouldn't have even had a miscarriage of Robert's child because she wouldn't have even tried to carry his child to term. Book!Cersei wouldn't be horrified at her son being a monster. Heck, Joffrey probably molested Tommen and she cut him off when he tried to tell her.

The only time Cersei even remotely resembled her book counterpart was the episode that GRRM wrote.

[visp]

But it's pretty obvious from reading the books and watching the show that they've gone out of her way to soften Cersei from the books and make her less of an outright villain.

Not really, it's just that Cersei doesn't get her POV chapters until far later in the book, and even then, she's at the bottom of an emotional downward spiral. Since the show is kinda everyone's POV all the time (because no inner monologues) you see more of her POV from the beginning, from a time when she was slightly less fucked up. The character's essentially the same, you just get to see more of it.

[(Anonymous)]

And people still paint her as one when they want to give you examples of "badass women" in the books.

[(Anonymous)]

mte

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah that's what I came here to say. Is there anyone who actually WANTS this pairing to continue?

[fauxkaren]

lol. Yes? I know a few pretty intense Jaime/Cersei shippers.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not really into fandom for this series at all (love the books though) so I haven't come across any, but it seems to me like a very weird pairing to ship and I haven't met any people irl who enjoy their relationship

[(Anonymous)]

You're obviously not from tumblr then.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, there are and some of them are FUCKING INSANE!
Don't mention Brienne to them, whatever you do...

[fauxkaren]

Yeah, someone I used to follow on tumblr was a huge Jaime/Cersei got REALLY mad re: Brienne. Like last season when Brienne had that fight scene in front of Jaime and he looks at her like "...whoa" people were making gifs of his face in that moment with things like "I've got the weirdest boner right now" and she was super mad about that.

It was weird.

[(Anonymous)]

...pretty sure I'm the one that made that gif. HA!
I'll make more this season. CAN'T TOUCH THIS!

[(Anonymous)]

I never got the feeling that it was a vanity thing with Cersei so much as it was part of how completely messed up her sense of her own identity is.

To me one of the saddest things about Cersei's story is that she never gets any real feedback from anything she does. Her whole life she's been ignored or overruled or misconstrued. So she does more and more outrageous and savage things and still can't get a clear reaction. She hasn't a clue how to get coherent responses from anyone around her. She's always just gotten abuse, contempt, or fear that had everything to do with the positions men had put her into and very little to do with anything she generated herself.

Jamie's the one thing she's been sure is hers, and their relationship - messed up though it is - was the only egalitarian one she'd ever had.

I feel very sorry for Cersei. I agree with the secret though. That ship is scuttled.

[sugar_spun]

I don't know, she's awfully quick to replace him with Lancel. And I recall a lot of her desperation from Jaime came from how alike he was to her. I think Cersei loved herself most, and Jaime came very close for a long time.

[fauxkaren]

Well, I think Cersei has her children too.

But generally IA that Jaime is the one thing she's been sure was hers. Which is why the fact that he didn't come to rescue her and that he's kind of pushing away and defining himself separately from her now is a big deal.

[i_paint_the_sky]

I ship them, there are probably my only OTP for the series. Actually, they're my only real ship, now that I think about it.

That said, I have to agree with the secret. I'm hoping we get at least one face-to-face scene for some resolution with them but even that is more hope than expectation.