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How so many witches and wizards in the Wizarding World seem so completely clueless about Muggle things. It's canon that a lot of them didn't know how to dress like muggles, but then, the vast majority of them lived among muggles. The only all-magical settlement in Britain was Hogsmeade, and it doesn't strike me as a big place. Their only hospital, bank, and government building all reside in London. So really, unless they never left their houses, there's no way they wouldn't know what was going on in the muggle world. Not to mention it's like their Prime Directive to fit in and keep their world secret, so it doesn't even make sense that they'd keep up centuries-old fashion because it seriously risks outing themselves.

And that's not even counting muggleborns who would likely not give up their muggle culture and clothes in favour of unflattering, archaic robes. I can't imagine even the pureblood kids would be keen on robes (except for people like the Blacks). It'd be like teens these days going out of their way to dress like they're in choir all the time.

My favourite Harry Potter theory is that the better you are at magic, the more stupid you become.

Personally I like robes, but eh.

Yeah it doesn't make any sense at all if you think about it for five minutes. Like most everything else in the world of Harry Potter.

yeaaaahhhh, pretty much

And that's not even counting muggleborns who would likely not give up their muggle culture [...].

That makes me think: I'd love to read a story of a Muggle-born or half-blood who, after leaving Hogwarts (or some other school), went to live in the Muggle world. In fact, the only reason they went to a Wizarding school was to learn to control their magic powers and not have "accidents" front of Muggles.
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Ok, thread-jack over.

I actually had an OC who did that, but it was a shameless, shameless self-insert fic, so I've never put it anywhere. But it was a lot of fun writing about how she did it and incorporated bits of magic into her everyday life.

I want this fic, as well.

i want this fic like burning. i'm tempted to write it myself.

My thoughts about it are that Britain is like the only one really in the world that uses the isolationist practices. I feel like it's willful ignorance by many of them due to feelings of superiority. I would imagine since the Wizarding World skews a bit older (many people are in their late 100's when they die, and 60 is still considered pretty spry)the government who controls ideas and wizarding practices and cultures is loosening up but still unwilling to let go of the old ways.

Idk I've been writing and brainstorming a crossover that takes place at a school in America and in it I just assumed that the only teenagers who even wear full wizard robes either have a sense of superiority or are doing it ironically. I'd imagine most cultures have done away with the isolationism and are striving more towards a culture of magical multiculturalism.

I like this idea!

Thanks :)

The fic is abandoned for the time being though. It was getting kind of time intensive, and I have that school thing, so right now I'm just mostly my Troy/Abed 30 kisses fic and other various porn for the same pairing \o/

OTP, I have one.

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biohazardgirl - 2013-02-24 01:13 (UTC) - Expand

That could actually work, given the circumstances.

The circumstances are that the Wizarding School I'm writing about is really, really terrible and full of transfer students who basically had nowhere else to go.

School age is 14-20, and in America Wizarding children actually go to real school from kindergarten to eighth grade, and then when they go to Wizarding school they still take muggle classes alongside their new Wizarding ones, similar to a high school and an associate's degree where electives become more and more important the older you get.

There's a school uniform, but it's more similar to how it was in the movies of HP than the books, and also my school is so shitty that the teenagers barely follow it.

. . .I have very complex headcanons about this thing that is not really written very much yet because I have no life. This is the watered down version.

Edited 2013-02-24 00:01 (UTC)

Yeah, that's one thing that always weirded me out. If there were vast hidden cities and social hubs that were free of muggles, I'd get it. And if it was some kind of social taboo about ever dressing (that includes kids) up as muggles, I'd get it. But there aren't.

Plus, it would be cooler if wizards just dressed weird because they were proud of their identities or something and just generally didn't like fitting into muggle society perfectly or following their fashions, not because they were somehow totally clueless.

Also, one of my disappointments with Deathly Hallows was that I was sure the reasons for the whole Prime Directive about hiding magic from muggles would come into serious play, and it never happened. *sigh* Book 7 was a big waste, honestly. What should have built on six books worth of rather mystifying and explained world-building and concept-introduction for the wizarding world just kind shunted it all into the behind-the-scenes so a boring 'fugitives from justice' plot could eat up half the book.

I think there was a wizard in Goblet of Fire who refused to wear pants because he liked having his business free to wiggle around...

I completely agree with you. One fic that I think deals with this issue in a fabulous way is In Loco Parentis (pay careful attention to warnings).

Here's an excerpt from my rec:

6. The complete divorce between the Muggle and wizarding worlds is beyond ludicrous. So a kid spends eleven years in what Lorraine likes to think of as the real world, visits this real world every summer for seven years, and then goes forward to a life which is partly spent in the real world (if only to visit family and friends), and yet this kid decides that dressing like Fantasia and eschewing technology is clearly the way to go. WTF?! LOL There's a line in this fic where Hestia is all, "The Ministry has got Arthur Weasley in charge of the Misuse of Muggle artifacts, and after thirty years, he still can't pronounce electricity!" There's something really, really bizarre about the insularity of the Wizarding world that has nothing to do with the statute of secrecy. I mean, you can't tell me that waistcoats and jackets with eleventy million buttons are preferable to microfiber and zippers and denim and velcro. I simply cannot believe the average wizard doesn't know that people are starving in Africa, that the U.S. is at war with Iraq, that airplanes fly through the sky. Crazy. And the whole wizarding supremacy thing is a load of bullshit; clearly Muggles are better. They're curing diseases only with the power of their minds and their hard work and their sheer intelligence. When they build tables, they do it with their hands and their rulers and their sweat and their TIME, and how much more does that mean than transfiguring something into a table with a flick of the wand?

Thank you for the rec! I've never read Harry/Snape before but, well, there's always a first time for everything. I haven't read Harry Potter fic in a while. . .maybe it's time to start up again :)

It's been a while since I read the story, but from what I remember, the fic mostly deals with Hermione anyway; she's the POV character and the Snarry is not the point of the story (to me anyway; YMMV).

This is such a deeply fantastic story, mostly for the worldbuilding and other implications.

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biohazardgirl - 2013-02-24 01:10 (UTC) - Expand

Yiiiiiiis In Loco Parentis! +1s the rec

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lunabee34 - 2013-02-24 00:58 (UTC) - Expand

It is 2:38 am and I was going to have an early night, but I thought I'd just have a quick look at your rec before going to bed. Damn it ಠ_ಠ

I'm not buying the Snarry plotline even the tiniest little bit. But I'm only half way so maybe it will seem less ludicrous by the end?

The rest of the fic is golden though. I love fic that addresses how sensationally injust the WW is.

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I can't remember where I read that, after entering the Wizarding World at the tender age of 11, muggleborn wizars get kind of stuck in the eras they came from - and since they have such long lifes, they keep getting more and more updated the older they get.

This has always bugged me. Starting with Harry being raised by muggles and Hermione being muggle-born and right up through the reveal of Snape's parentage, there is just too much canonical interaction between the wizarding and muggle worlds for the former to be completely clueless about the latter. Some wizards might be able to be isolationists and others might be the wizarding equivalent of "backwoods hicks" or whatever, but most don't have this excuse. Then you start to think about things like "Where do the Weasleys get their groceries and toilet paper and whatnot? Do they go to Tesco's or is there some kind of Wizards' Walmart? Do they conjure it all out of thin air even though that would negate the need for a wizarding world economy, which clearly exists?

What freaks me out is Hogwarts only concentrates on the magic, rather than also teaching english etc. So...everyone in the wizarding world has the writing abilities of a ten year old? That's a little worrying...

The patronising attitude towards muggles too. It's like, oh silly muggles are so weak and helpless- we have a spell that can kill a man. That's nice. We have nukes. Hogwarts may be unmapable but Scotland certainly isn't. We can do the whole trial and error thing.

(Like seriously the most dangerous creatures in the wizarding world were Dementors because muggles can't see them. Wizards? Who rely solely on a fragile little stick? Get a sniper on that. Problem solved.)

Ahahahahahhahahaa. I have often thought this myself. They get no writing instruction. IT boggles the mind.

I also like stories that highlight how dangerous reliance on a wand can be. If you lose your wand or break your wand or somebody just decks you or shoots you as you suggest, you're toast. LOL

The lack of English classes is NUTS! And while the practical sides to science are taken care of by magic, they don't get any education in the actual workings of the universe which is not only interesting but really beneficial. And they never even use their amazing magic to achieve great things, like interstellar travel, curing diseases, or pushing forward other frontiers.

While Hogwarts would be fun, I gotta say, the magical world is seriously fucked up. I think Muggles are superior.

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