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⌈ Secret Post #2245 ⌋

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No, it isn't genocide, but "hey the Holocaust was horrible so let's take land from these tanner people and deny them a lot of rights" is kind of a thing.

Way to simplify an extremely complex situation and make it about "those evil Jews persecuting those poor brown people."

And you're late, another troll already brought up the Israel comparison several posts above.

How did I simplify the situation? What's the excuse for putting an exclusively-for-Jews state on a bit of land with a lot of non-Jews on it? I'm not an antisemite, I just think it's a bad idea. Granted you can't just erase Israel either, that'd be awful for a bunch of innocent Israelis who weren't at all involved in ethnic cleansing. History sucks.

But good job on calling criticism of Israel trolling.

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You're right, Israel is exclusively for Jews. There are no non-Jews in Israel.

Israel is only for the right sort of Jews too. You gotta be a white Jew and not a black one. It doesn't go well for black Jews, but at least thanks to Israel there won't be many more of those.

Dude it's called a "Jewish State."

That sounds pretty much For Jews to me. Of course nonjews live there too.

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Not genocide at all, but it certainly can be used as evidence for the argument that persecution does not necessarily breed compassion.

Exactly.

I am not trying to compare Israel to A MOTHERFUCKING XMEN VILLAIN, I'm just saying being a victim doesn't make a person perfect. You can compare it to child abuse; sometimes abused children grow up into abusers.

tanner people

Oh lord are you really trying to say that Sephardic or Mizrahi Jews and Palestinians don't look basically the same

I don't even want to start down this road but there are plenty of brown and black people in Israel who can't live anywhere else (try Christians from African countries who escape to Israel, though honestly, they aren't treated well by the government most of the time)

Israel is really fucked up but its people are just people, just like the Palestinians are just people with fucked up government

Christians, or white Christians anyway, are just Jew-lite. You want to see real hate and abuse, watch a Palestinian try to move into a "pure" Israeli neighborhood. It's like 1950s Georgia USA all over again. Except if Rosa Parks had been palestinian she'd have been shot, and so would her family. And her house bulldozed.

You want to see real hate and abuse, watch a gay person trying to live in Palestine.

Yeah all those people shooting at them and fucking with the water supply should have made them more tolerant of LGBT people I mean what

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You want to see something even worse, watch a Brony try to post on F!S, lets not play the oppression olympics okay. No one is saying Palestinians are perfect or don't act like dicks, but just because they are dicks in one way does not excuse Israel being massive apartheid style dicks to the palestinians, nor the Israeli use of terror tactics and land seizures against the palestinians.

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10/10

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Do you even know any Israelis
I mean, I see a need for the country to exist because the entire world has treated Jewish people like shit basically for the entire history of their civilization, that's all, I'm also not really down for people shitting all over people just because their government sucks

I mean, if you're American or British you really have no room to talk whatsoever. It's always hilarious to see people in industrialized countries with a history of colonization and oppression judge developing countries for the same shit

It's a very similar issue; they're one of many settler cultures.

The difference is that some of the people who got forced out of current Israeli borders into the West Bank, Gaza, and assorted refugee camps are still alive. It's much more recent, and much of it occurred after western colonization began to be widely condemned. To act like Americans or Brits can't condemn this when Americans and Brits make up much of the population condemning American and British colonization and oppression is kind of silly.

Look at it this way: the bulk of the people who exposed Israeli war crimes and ethnic cleansing were/are themselves Israeli. Israeli historians were the ones with access to Israeli archives combined with Hebrew language skills.

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I apologize for the TL;DR >>;;

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Lots of ethnic groups have been treated like shit, and lots of ethnic groups sadly will continue to be treated like shit. However elsewhere they work to reintegrate them into a pre-existing country and society. Why is this religious group so special? And why in a part of the world that is and was such a tinderbox? Trying to carve a new country out of a place where people were already living was never going to end well. You can't shove people out of their homeland and tell them that your religion which is not their religion justifies it.

Hey, I should've clarified. I meant pre-1948 zionism, which was made up mostly of Europeans and their immediate descendents. I know Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews are middle eastern!

I agree that people are just people.

There are certainly a lot more European Jewish people in Israel now but there was also a MASS EXODUS of Jewish people from Islamic countries in North Africa and the Middle East after the creation of Israel, so a large portion ended up there. Also Ethiopian Jewish people

Exactly: after. It was terrible for many middle eastern countries to expel/pressure Jews out in retaliation for the creation of Israel. However, this happened largely because Israel was created. That's not an excuse for something so horrible but it is the continuity.

A lot of the people emptying out Arab towns in Israel around 1948 were therefore of European descent. A lot of Sephardi had a really hard time for a long time in Israel because they seemed so Arabic (similar music, culture, et cetera) and faced discrimination as a result. This included those who had been living in Israel when it was called Palestine; the newcomers were discriminating against native Jews

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there are plenty of brown and black people in Israel who can't live anywhere else (try Christians from African countries who escape to Israel, though honestly, they aren't treated well by the government most of the time)

So doesn't that correlate with the point about the "majority" Israelis not being very nice to darker-skinned people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

Dude, put context around your links or nobody will follow them.

Dude, the context is this entire thread.

specific context as to the point you are intending the lynx to illustrate

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Yeah, this is a hilarious video.

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