[ SECRET POST #2245

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⌈ Secret Post #2245 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

10. http://i.imgur.com/QOo5l1W.png

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure Magneto doesn't condone mass genocide. The only time he did it was an impostor.

[kaijinscendre]

Wasn't he going to kill all of them using Cerebro in one of the movies? I vaguely remember Mystique changing out the magic glowy stuff used in it. Or maybe that was just to kill Charles.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Nope. Xorn helped him put himself in contrast, but he's done it on his own plenty of times.

[(Anonymous)]

Magneto suffers from a tragic case of Comic Book Character Inconsistent Characterization. He both does and doesn't condone mass genocide.

[(Anonymous)]

[lynx]

Thank you for the pics :D I'm saving them.

[darkmanifest]

Wow, pretty awesome, thanks.

[(Anonymous)]

He's nuts. Also, people bring this point up to him loads of times.

BUT he generally doesn't condone actual genocide or murdering of what he believes to be innocents. Most of the crap he did before the modern era was actually impersonators. Well, technically, the writers did write that arc about how the imposter was actually Magneto with the assumed identity of Xorn, but then it was revealed that Xorn was real and it was Xorn pretending to be Magneto, but then another writer retconned it so that it was Magneto who was disguised as Xorn disguised as Magneto.

I think. It's been a few years.

[(Anonymous)]

another writer retconned it so that it was Magneto who was disguised as Xorn disguised as Magneto

Wait, what?

[kaijinscendre]

This is why I don't read comics.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a logical response, but people don't always think logically.

(Ignoring questions about continuity and whether Magneto does in fact think that)

[(Anonymous)]

Go talk to the nation of Israel about that then OP, because they are right alongside the idea.

[fenm]

Read George Orwell's Animal Farm.

Four legs good, two legs bad!

[(Anonymous)]

Well, his children like to have sex with each other, so it's just a family that's fucked up in the head all around.

[(Anonymous)]

Magneto, like any good supervillain type, doesn't think of himself as evil. And like most people, he can't conceive of himself as being capable of evil. When Marvel does go there with his character, risking the lives of innocents, they're not ignoring his background. One of the basic components of his character is that he's so afraid of being on the receiving end of another holocaust in a human-mutant conflict that he's willing to do terrible things to prevent it. If killing a few humans will protect mutants from the threat of internment camps, he's willing to go there.

The point of his character is to show just how dangerous fear can be when you let it rule your decisions. The books are about intolerance and racism in the end, and fear is a big part of that story.

Magneto at his worst is acting on fear, trying to prevent some imagined (or sometimes not so imagined) greater evil. Xavier is about hope, and about breaking down the fear on both sides. Knowledge is his weapon -- you fear what you don't understand. That's why his character runs a school.

There's a bit of a Cold War analogy in there somewhere too -- every time one side, mutant or human, escalates to protect against the threat of the other, the other must respond in kind. It's interesting to note that the writers avoided casting Magneto as representative of the USSR in that analogy, and both Magneto's group and Xavier's contain Russian members. In 2013, that's not at all remarkable, but in the 1960's, American pop culture usually went the other way.

[(Anonymous)]

The same way that rape victims can grow up to be rapists. Or physical abuse victims could grow up to be abusers themselves.

It's actually been brought up a lot to him, but you already need to be fucked up to think any sort of innocent killing is okay, so reasoning rationally doesn't really work.

[lynx]

Oh come on. That's only the third movie's plot, and Ultimates - which are universally agreed to be terribly written and so OOC the characters can't be recognized anymore as themselves.

Canon!Magneto -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(comics)
Ultimates Magneto -> http://marvel.com/universe/Magneto_(Ultimate)

Canon!Magneto is not like this. He's an idealist, and to achieve those ideals he goes for the totalitarian route, but the core of his character is not one of an genocidal maniac.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. You're the first person in 50+ years to have that thought. *claps*

May I direct you to the history of Israel

[chardmonster]

No, it isn't genocide, but "hey the Holocaust was horrible so let's take land from these tanner people and deny them a lot of rights" is kind of a thing.

[saturnofthemoon]

I do adore Magneto but he's a comic book character and they often don't make any sense because their views change depending on who's writing them.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes hate begets hate. Sometimes people become the thing that they feared.

It's all dicks and assholes everywhere, so here, have some more wank to lube things up

[nyxelestia]

As you've seen upthread, OP, there are a lot of historical instances of oppressed and abused peoples turning around to oppress and abuse others.

At the micro-social example, the best analogy would be people who were abused as kids growing up and turning into abusers themselves.

At the macro-social level, you do see instances of Israelis enacting the same discriminatory policies that the Nazis had, the ones that eventually culminated in the Holocaust. Meanwhile, the fact that Palestinians are being frequently hurt by Israeli abuse hasn't made them any less bigoted towards certain people within or around their own communities, such as LGBT Palestinians.

Somewhere in the middle of all those two levels, you can probably find a sorta-meta example within comics and sci-fi as a genre. A lot of the original creators and big names of comics and sci-fi were the geeky guys who were used to being picked on in daily life due to not conforming to our militaristic and patriarchal culture. You'd expect these guys to be more accepting of women, another large group frequently put down by the patriarchy, right? Wrong! There are few, if any, genres more sexist and misogynistic than sci-fi - those original geeky guys, rather than embracing an ally, turned around and started oppressing the only group they could in the only medium they could, women in comics and sci-fi. Even now that most sci-fi and comics guys are probably not nearly as bullied or picked on as their predecessors were, it's a standard that still permeates fandoms today (see the "Fake Geek Girls" bullshit, and some guys' reactions to the Hawkeye Initiative).

Meanwhile, take a look at some of the people involved in the nastier depths of SJW. "Oppression Olympics", while admittedly dismissive and derogatory in its typical use, is not a wholly inaccurate obersvation of fandom, either, because you will get people who want to play the "who's oppressed more game" - and thanks to the multi-generational and multi-national nature of the Internet, there will never be a "right" answer, if it were ever even possible to come to a "right" answer within one single age-and-place community in the first place. Even here and now, you'll find the kind of people who are arguing this very issue turn around and put someone down for, effectively, not being from the same time and place as them, using indirect means of "attack" such as quibbles of terminology (an insult in one place is an endearment in another, a pejorative to one generation is a neutral term to the next one, etc), or claiming that being X minority gives them some form of priority or credence over Y minority.

tl;dr - there are assholes in any given group of people; the fact that someone was a dick to you is just as likely to result in you turning around and deciding to be a dick to someone/anyone/everyone else, as it is to make you decide to be a protector against all other dicks and make sure no one else ever has to go through what you did. This happens all the time in levels of human history and society. It's a sad fact of life, but it's true, and honestly, the contrary nature of Magneto's character (comic-standard inconsistencies aside) is probably a terrifyingly accurate depiction of human psychology within a cycle of abuse.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone probably did, then he filled them with many point metal bits and carried on as normal.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that how racism/prejudice usually goes? You have some bad experiences with people of a certain group, so you start thinking all of them are terrible and deserve to die. It's sort of a parallel to the anti-mutant humans. It's meant to be seen as an extreme reaction to racism.