[ SECRET POST #2252 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2252 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Billie Piper - Doctor Who/Secret Diary of a Call Girl]


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03.
[Steam Powered Giraffe]


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04.
[Teen Wolf]


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05.
[Kuroko no Basket]


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06.
[Princess Tutu]


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07.
[Kuroshitsuji]


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08.
[Queer as Folk]


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09.
[The Reward]


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10.
[Spartacus: War of the Damned]


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11.
[The Following]


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12.
[Les dossiers du Professeur Bell]


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13.
[Misfits]


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14.
[Saint's Row The Third]


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15.
[Penn and Teller]


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[Harry Potter]


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Comments

[kaijinscendre]

That is what I hate most about Harry Potter. Oh, the Slytherin students become Death Eaters? Of course they did. All the other students treat them like evil pieces of scum and then you have this group of adults who are like, "Come on, join our club. Here is a place where you will be respected and cared for." Of course they are going to join!

I love Professor Mcgonagall but that scene in Deathly Hallows where she locks the Slytherin students up rubs be the wrong way. Most of them have probably done nothing, yet they are locked up in dungeons for no reason.

[feotakahari]

I'm not sure if I even want to ask for the context on this. (I gave up on Harry Potter before the last book, but that sounds pretty dang messed-up.)

[brynspikess]

If memory serves, all the students from all the halls are gathered, 'cause Voldy is attacking Hogwarts. V tells them all in a weird mind-link that he'll stop attacking and leave them alone if they give him Harry. ONE of the Slytherins speaks up "What are you waiting for? Someone grab him!", but the Gryffindors close ranks and Professor Mcgonagall sends all the Slytherin students to the dungeons, to the cheers of all the other students.

It didn't really strike me when I first watched the movie, but re-watching the clip is kinda sickening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjaosdWtdZA

[saiika_von_maou]

That was the scene in the movie, and it really ticked me off. The actual words from the book were:

"Thank you, Miss Parkinson," said Professor McGonagall in a clipped voice. "You will leave the Hall first with Mr. Filch. If the rest of your House could follow."

However, before then, it's clearly worded that the students all face against the Slytherins. The implication is upsetting, but I was far more annoyed at the outright shunning of the Slytherin students in the movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't JKR a Calvinist in addition to being a Sirius/Remus No Homo? Their fates are all preordained if so.

[(Anonymous)]

in addition to being a Sirius/Remus No Homo?

I'd argue that Remus and Sirius being two mates who got on well is not the same thing as being a No Homo. I wouldn't say it was never going to happen, but... it just didn't happen.

As for the Calvinist thing, pretty sure that was made up/exaggerated.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, it's true - their back story was very muddy. I think fandom took some latter day details and ran with them.

[tree_and_leaf]

She's talked at times about attending a Church of Scotland church, but these days that doesn't automatically make you a Calvinist - and in any case, no Calvinist would have given Dumbledore the line "It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, there was no context for Sirius/Remus in the first place. That just blew up because of the film. In the books, I'd say Sirius/Remus was one of the LEAST likely gay couples to become canon.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course they did. All the other students treat them like evil pieces of scum

The other kids treat them like scum because they're douchebags to everyone, something they probably learned from their parents (We got to see Malfoy before he was ever technically a slytherin and he was already well on his way to being a little asshole)

[(Anonymous)]

racist douchebags

[celestinenox]

This.

So much.

[(Anonymous)]

pretty much

for all that it was insisted that Slytherins could be decent people, Rowling...unfortunately never really demonstrated that (I guess the big example was supposed to be Snape but let's face it...Snape was still a gigantic asshole when all was said or done. I guess Slughorn might count? He embodied the main traits of a Slytherin, sure, but unlike most of the other slytherins we were introduced to he didn't take those traits to their negative extremes)

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. Fred and George were completely in the right to heckle that kid just for being sorted into Slytherin. They knew just by looking at him that he was a scummy douchebag with trashy parents.

[intrigueing]

....except it's supposed to be a bad thing. Kids are supposed to be shown as victims of their society. The House rivalries are supposed to be fucked up. The wizarding world is supposed to be full of terrible shit that pre-teens accept at face value or just don't see. The sparkly magic wonderful world Harry sees at the beginning is supposed to be slowly revealed to be just as full of crap as it is of wonder. The heroes he idolizes at the beginning are supposed to be revealed as deeply flawed over time. The ideas and traditions he takes for granted are supposed to be shown to have all kinds of fucked-up-ness about them. The Harry Potter series is exactly like growing up and realizing that all that stuff you participated in and bought into and thought was so great or harmless or normal when you were a kid? Not so innocent or good after all, once you're old enough to think about it.

You can argue a lot about how well this message was conveyed in the series (I have a whole load of issues with how a lot of things were glossed over in DH), but to imply that the intent wasn't there is laughable.

[gamma_orionis]

I came here to say exactly this. I think the reason that most people seem to miss this intent has to do with the fact that we're seeing the world through Harry's very unreliable eyes, and they take his prejudices and misconceptions for facts... For example: Harry thinks Slytherins are evil and he sees all Slytherins as douchebags? That MUST be the truth!

(I have a whole load of issues with how a lot of things were glossed over in DH)
^This... don't even get me started on how things were handled in the last movie :P

[lunabee34]

I want to agree with you except I think that the epilogue, in which the status quo seems to be preserved, negates that idea. It would have been so easy to have a dwarf on the platform with a wand or mention the new crest on one of the children's robes that stands for a different kind of house or some slight mention of the success of any of the social reforms that the books appear to be leading up to but then don't do anything with. I think fanfic does a great job of exploring these issues, though.

[(Anonymous)]

This, exactly. Remember in one of Snape's memories in DH, Dumbledore himself said that perhaps they Sort too soon.

Also, we really don't see all that many Slytherins. The majority of them are just names, & simply because Harry, Ron, etc. generalize them as all being terrible people does not mean they actually are. Out of all the Slytherins Harry encounters in school, only one is ever confirmed to be a Death Eater, & that's Malfoy. One could argue Crabbe & Goyle as well, I suppose, based on the end of DH.

And to the person who made the comment about McGonagall sending the Slytherins to the dungeons - that's movieverse. In the book she evacuated them from the school along with underage students, which is a big difference. Something the filmmakers got terribly wrong - shocking.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a little nervous about this, because my HP memories are fuzzy, but here goes:

How does the epilogue fit into this this? because if the point of series arc was a loss of innocence and a recognition of moral ambiguity, the epilogue seems to reject that. It glosses over any kind of adult growth or change.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're reading too much into the books. They were for children remember. Yes, they were fun to read and everyone went crazy over them, but sometimes I feel like people give JKR waaay too much credit for her writing. Just because you can read into something doesn't mean it was intentional.

For example, page 324 of The Order of the Phoenix = are six consecutive descriptions of the way people speak.
"...said Snape maliciously,"
"... said Harry furiously",
" ... he said glumly",
"... said Hermione severely",
"... said Ron indignantly",
" ... said Hermione loftily".

[melusinahp]

THANK YOU.

[celestinenox]

Well, to be fair, in the book McGonagall didn't lock them up. That annoyed the crap out of me in the movie. It made no sense for McGoogly's character or, you know, in general.

In the book, the Slytherins were escorted out of the school (just like the other Houses) so they would be safely away from the battle--it's just that, unlike in the other Houses, none of the older Slytherin students even wanted to stay to fight against Voldemort. (Rowling attempted to backpedal later and claim the Slytherins came back with reinforcements, but there's absolutely nothing I can pick out in the book to suggest this is true and not her attempt to try and undo some of the messy "All Slytherins are evil or cowards" messages that ended up in her canon by DH.)

[deadtree]

I can understand *why* that part was in the movie (because that is a HEAVY movie and needed something right about then to make people in the audience laugh/cheer), but yeah, it was totally not in character.

[greenvelvetcake]

This. At the battle for Hogwarts, when Pansy yelled for them to hand Harry over, I was waiting for the school - the ENTIRE school, Slytherins and Gryffindors and Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs - to turn on her and fight the Death Eaters together.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see most of the Slytherins not doing it if a lot of their friends, neighbours or family could be those they'd fight against. Not that i agree that none would, but most certainly.