[ SECRET POST #2252 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2252 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Billie Piper - Doctor Who/Secret Diary of a Call Girl]


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03.
[Steam Powered Giraffe]


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04.
[Teen Wolf]


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05.
[Kuroko no Basket]


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06.
[Princess Tutu]


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07.
[Kuroshitsuji]


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08.
[Queer as Folk]


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09.
[The Reward]


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10.
[Spartacus: War of the Damned]


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11.
[The Following]


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12.
[Les dossiers du Professeur Bell]


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13.
[Misfits]


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14.
[Saint's Row The Third]


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15.
[Penn and Teller]


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[Harry Potter]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Well, in general, I think that there's a huge amount of things in the world of Harry Potter that just don't make sense on close examination. That doesn't make it a dystopia - that means that it's indeterminate. The world doesn't make sense and people come up with their own interpretations to fill the blanks and resolve it, and one of those interpretations is that it's a dystopia.

That said, I actually think that this aspect of things makes more sense than people give it credit for. I think people fail to realize the extent to which Slytherins, and the opinions and the political positions that Slytherins are linked to, are normalized in the world of Harry Potter as it's presented in the books. I mean, we really do see the books entirely from the perspective of one group of people, who are the hard-core, militant edge of the people opposed to the Slytherins. But wizarding society as a whole is pretty cool with racism and classism. It's much more willing to give status to Malfoy than to Weasley, it's perfectly content with Slytherin House. Its only problem with Voldemort was that he was insane and murderous, but his essential politics were not that far out of the mainstream. I mean, at the end of the day, wizarding society as presented in the books is astonishingly conservative and racist. People in wizarding society just don't really disagree with the Slytherin point of view, and so they view the existence of Slytherin House as non-problematic.

[(Anonymous)]

Same anon - had another thought / tl;dr summary. Wizarding society doesn't really think of Slytherin House as the evil house. That's the opinion of the Order of the Phoenix and their buddies. The readers share that opinion, partly because of viewpoint, partly because the good guys are right, but wizarding society doesn't.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with everything you said.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

You're right, which is one of the other reasons I see the Wizarding World as a dystopia. ...I suppose that might be putting it strongly. But the majority of the people running the school see the Slytherin ideals as un-ideal, and they just... effectively write off a quarter of their students as going to be terrible.

Re: OP

[celestinenox]

Really, honestly, it's mostly the other kids who see Slytherins as evil little snot-nosed brats, and that's mostly because the Slytherin kids act like evil little snot-nosed brats. I agree with the anon who wrote above that the majority of Wizarding society agrees with the same ideals as Slytherins tend to--just perhaps not to the same, really extreme degree--and that it's the Order and their kids who actually think of Slytherin ideals as evil, with the kids taking it one step further and saying this means Slytherins are evil. And most of these people seem to be Gryffindors (and there's that whole Gryffindor/Slytherin rivalry going on).

But Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs seem to mostly not like Slytherins because they're jerks, not because they're junior Death Eaters.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

But they're being taught to be jerks.

Re: OP

[celestinenox]

Yes. They are.

Re: OP

[hiyami]

To be fair, a lot of our world's schools of management tend to be to turn managers into bullies who will make people serve without rebelling.
So I'm not sure it's that far-fetched?

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

......So? What do you want, here?! A lot of people who are jerks who are -ist in any way, in this case, being anti-muggle, or purist.... that shit is TAUGHT. S

[celestinenox]

Best two comments. Love this.

[diet_poison]

This is a really great viewpoint to add. Thanks for the food for thought, anon!

[dreemyweird]

I tend to agree with you. People just assume that wizarding society from HP is good or even better than the Muggle one, but Azkaban alone seems like a very strange establishment for a bunch of nice guys to have.

Although I do agree with what you said, I disagree with the OP; it simply does not qualify as a dystopia if one considers the dictionary definition.

[gamma_orionis]

Azkaban is really awful psychological torture, and I'm pretty sure it would count as a human rights violation in so many ways if it existed in this world...

But see, things like this are what I love so much about Harry Potter. It's not a perfect world at all. I wouldn't call it a dystopia, but there are many fucked-up things about it. It makes one question who the real villains are... that's what makes it interesting :)

[(Anonymous)]

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[celestinenox]

I don't see how people think the Wizarding society is better than Muggle society... I mean, I'm not saying I don't believe you, I do. I just don't understand that mindset because, uh, kind of the entire series was this huge not-really-subtle metaphor about racism and prejudice and war and these are not nice concepts that absolutely exist in the Wizarding world to a ridiculous degree. There's even, gasp!, murder.

[dreemyweird]

Pretty much this, but I guess it's because of the combination of how the books were initially meant for children and wizardry being one of the major themes of the series. Since the characters clearly did not fall into the "evil witches and sorcerers" archetype, and in the beginning everyone was quite friendly and everything full of marvels and magic, the readership made them fall into the "fairies and good wizards" one.

Besides, Harry was insanely glad to get away from the Dursleys, and it must've enforced the impression of marvellousness and goodness the wizarding world had left upon both him and the readers.

[(Anonymous)]

Wizarding society is better than Muggle society because living in it means you have fucking magic and that's awesome

it's not really, like, morally superior or anything though

[diet_poison]

hmm, I didn't really get the impression that readers were supposed to think the wizarding world was better than the muggle world. I didn't think that - I just thought it was different, and hidden for their protection (or whatever reason). In fact the characters who DID think the wizarding world was clearly better were painted as the bad guys.

[(Anonymous)]

the characters who DID think the wizarding world was clearly better were painted as the bad guys

yeah, like Harry.

[diet_poison]

Harry thought Hogwarts was far better than living with Vernon and Petunia but that was because Vernon and Petunia were abusive and neglectful assholes. Also, I think he resented being completely cut off from wizarding society and culture in the summers when his friends weren't. But I don't think that is equivalent to him believing wizards were inherently better than muggles.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah you're so right. How dare he prefer to be in the wizarding world where the only people who cared about him at all were. That fucking asshole, not wanting to be in places where he was mentally and emotionally abused just for the way he was born, and often locked up.

[(Anonymous)]

It's always bothered me how seriously f*ed up Azkaban is. It is a prison where they literally psychologically torture people constantly ... and as far as we're shown it's their only/main prison. WHAT.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not really any different from a black site or Gitmo. Or frankly most US prisons given the prison rape statistics. If JK was a US citizen and not a Brit we'd all be arguing whether Azkaban was metaphor for a Super-Max or not.

[diet_poison]

Is it their only prison? I guess it might be; they did insinuate that time in Azkaban was only for the worst offenders, but perhaps they had strong fines or other non-prison punishments for relatively minor crimes.

[(Anonymous)]

There was another one, where Grindelwald was imprisoned, but I can't remember the name offhand. There may be several Azkaban-like prisons in different parts of the Wizarding world; I wish she'd made punishments for lesser crimes a little clearer.