[ SECRET POST #2299 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2299 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Kuroko no Basuke]


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[Milestone Inc./Radilgy/Karous]


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[Glee/RPS]


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[The Following]


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10. [SPOILERS for Resident Evil 6]



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11. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who]



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12. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]



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13. [SPOILERS for Southland]



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14. [WARNING for ?? something]



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15. [WARNING for abuse]



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16. [WARNING for rape]



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17. [WARNING for rape]

[Spartacus / Once Upon a Time]


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18. [WARNING for animal abuse]




















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Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[greenvelvetcake]

no such thing as male allies

I don't know what I would call that, but it wouldn't be feminism.

[(Anonymous)]

A few strips earlier, the girl was attacked by a bunch of guys for being a feminist. A guy who had earlier claimed to be the girl's ally was watching nearby, and did nothing to help her. That's the context for the strip.

I don't think the author is trying to say there's no male allies (especially since he supposedly IS one), I think this is a commentary on how sometimes male allies fall short of their duties because they don't always get or understand what women go through.. The guy in the strip who claimed to be a male ally, that character has always been kind of a self-insert for the author, so maybe it's him admitting that even though he cares about women's issues, he's been guilty of standing by when he knew something needed to be done.

I could be wrong of course, that's just my interpretation of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I... I don't know. What I would get out of that is "someone I thought was a friend saw me getting attacked and didn't do anything or go for help", not "there are no male allies".

Or if it was a purely verbal attack, the kind where getting help wouldn't really help, I'd see "my friend elected not to jump into the shark tank with me, probably just as well, I'm supposed to be ignoring these people anyway, not that that ever works, I'll consider myself authorized not to stick my neck out for him if it comes up", not "there are no male allies".

Or maybe, "someone I thought was my friend picked his asshole friends over me and the right thing".

I get that it's supposed to be an allegory, but... Ugh. Maybe it's supposed to be the kid proclaiming the nonexistence of male allies so she doesn't have to process the personal betrayal?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the fact that the character immediately jumps into "there's no such thing as male allies" makes her seem too straw for my taste. Like, if she had that as a secondary reaction, yeah, but that being her immediate reaction? She feels like a parody of a feminist. :/

[insanenoodlyguy]

One of the problems with that though is the horrible inconsisent writing.

It was "devil" slick that failed to help in contrast to the earlier slick.

It's oddly unclear if "devil" characters are supposed to be the dark sides of characters, separate from them otherwise (compare Devil Seymor who's apparently into girls to the gay regular Seymor), or merely them at their darkest, away from prying public eyes.

The Whole thing is inconsistent and seems to change for whatever peachy point Ishida wants to give. What it's not is half as funny as it used to be.

[(Anonymous)]

dude, but isn't that how it feels sometimes? And what's wrong with saying having what looks like a young girl saying that after a bad experience? Especially since a good amount of allies on anything (be it women's rights, LGBT rights, Civil rights) sometimes are fucking assholes that talk over the people they want to help and try to dictate how we should act, react, and think.

[(Anonymous)]

what's wrong with saying having what looks like a young girl saying that after a bad experience?

THIS. Characters can have feelings and responses to hurt that aren't totally rational or measured, and it doesn't mean the author (or the character even) genuinely thinks that. The kneejerk defensiveness in this thread is pretty disappointing.

[(Anonymous)]

Despondency?

[(Anonymous)]

Thing character says ≠ thing author thinks. We know this, yes?

[greenvelvetcake]

Yes, writers never use characters as mouthpieces for their own opinions.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

And clearly they never have ongoing plotlines with characters reacting to actual events and multiple points of view either.

So allow me to rephrase: what character says ≠ NECESSARILY what author thinks, and this strip has a lot of context to it which is, as other commenters note, being ignored.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course they do sometimes, but they don't always. I don't automatically assume that a character voicing an opinion (even if it's the main character) is giving the author's opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree with the idea that men can't be feminists/men can only be allies/men can't be allies, too, but keep in mind that feminism is an incredibly diverse set of ideas. The definition of women's rights is not one that is set in stone, and just because someone disagrees with your notion of it does not mean that they're not feminists.

One of the main reasons I can't get myself to actively involve myself in feminism is the constant policing going on within the community. Pro-life feminists aren't feminists, they're working against the cause! Radfems aren't feminists, they're crazy! Feminists who don't do intersectionality aren't feminists, they only want rights for cis hetero white women!

Seriously, cut it out.