[ SECRET POST #2302 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2302 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

11. http://i.imgur.com/q4zoj7y.png

[(Anonymous)]

What's funny about this is that the show has made it clear that Regina's relationship with her son is probably one of the few redeeming traits of her character and that she genuinely cares for her him.

[(Anonymous)]

Genuinely caring for him doesn't make her NOT a horribly abusive parent. She brought him to a place where nothing changes and no one but him ages and let him think he was GOING CRAZY and then pushed that even more when he started to figure out what was actually going on.

Because she cared about him so much.

[(Anonymous)]

The wank over every single thing on this show is ridiculous. I love Regina/The Evil Queen but everything she does angers some part of fandom; and yes, I think they need to address her relatinship with Graham. Anyway, little to no plot, bad acting, and hiatus are making this show awful.
I really wish they kill her off, I'd love to see Lana Parrilla playing some hbic on another show.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't like that they ignore the legalities in the situation because they interfere with the story. Taking Henry from Regina is legally kidnapping until Child's Services comes in and evaluates the situation (or however the specifics work out). Implying otherwise feels like its disregarding the fact that she's his mother. His only mother.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, this so much.

[(Anonymous)]

This. It's not that I feel Regina is a great person or a gtreat mother. But Emma is not Henry's mother. If CPS evaluated, I could see Snow and Charming getting custody, maybe (given the age discrepancies, it's complicated), but Emma forfited her rights and is not Henry's mother.

[(Anonymous)]

If CPS could intervene (which it really can't), other legal forces could as well, and Regina would be in jail for multiple counts of both attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder, among other things.

[(Anonymous)]

I think, given that Storybrooke is not a town recognized by the United States by way of magical shielding (no one could even see Storybrooke until the curse broke), Henry was already kidnapped. By Regina and Mr. Gold. I doubt that many US laws apply all to this place.

[(Anonymous)]

If the show were set in the 'real world,' I would agree with this. However, I feel like Storybrooke, being a magical town created by Regina, isn't subject to real-world laws. If it was, then the residents (and Regina in particular) would have much larger problems than which of his many family members Henry lives with. You can't subject one part of the story to modern law and not the rest of it.

[(Anonymous)]

lol Right. Because Regina gave two fucks about Hansel and Gretel's father's parental rights, yeah?

Didn't think so.

[(Anonymous)]

It is nothing to do with Regina's character. The problem is the basic set up of the story endorses the idea of only blood parentage mattering and adoptive parents are nothing. That Regina is a little bit psycho only makes it worse.

There is a nasty implication in regards adoptees and adoptive parents that is really rather sickening, but that is the producers and writers fault due to the way they shaped the world. I get that they have to work within the fairy tale convention of wicked stepmother, but it could be handled a lot better.

[(Anonymous)]

the story endorses the idea of only blood parentage mattering and adoptive parents are nothing

How?

[(Anonymous)]

A little bit psycho? She spent the entire first season trying to discredit her son and keep the curse from breaking. She tried to get Abigail killed. She tried to get Emma killed repeatedly and then put under a sleeping curse so that it wouldn't break. She killed Graham because he pissed her off. And that's not even counting what she did in fairy tale land.

Then when the curse was broken she would've used magic to hurt people if she knew how to control it. She would've killed David if she hadn't been interrupted. At the end she teamed up with her mother and AGAIN tried to kill them. She said herself that the evidence was so much against her that it's no surprise they believed it.

They may not make the best case about adoptive and blood parents but it's crap to act like Regina should be around a small child.

[(Anonymous)]

Negl those two are the reason I watch the show. I just find it so fascinating that Regina can be this evil, scheming murderer but can love Henry so strongly and genuinely at the same time. The only thing I would want out of the show in the long run would be for these two to work things out in the end (which would involve a TON of Regina grovelling and making amends, obviously, I'm not excusing any of her behaviour, but if the show decided to have Henry stop hating her so much at one point due to her honestly working on becoming a better person for him, I would be all for that).

[miarrow]

I don't think that's where it's coming from all the time. Most of my issues are from the first season with the REAL mom BS and that they had no real idea of Regina doing anything except being kind of strict to the kid that always runs off and skips school. The show has a really gross narrative framework about adoptive parents versus "real" parents. You can comment on that without apologizing for Regina's behavior.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, even in the first season, you can see that Regina tried to trick Henry into thinking he was wrong about everyone never growing up/old and being stuck in a groundhog's day; she even sent him to therapy over it while trying to manipulate him with it. That's a little more than simply being strict.

[(Anonymous)]

So, it's okay for her to steal children away from their parents, but not okay for Emma to take back her son? A son that wants to be with his biological mother/father?

Why is it okay for this woman to completely disregard other people's rights to their children(Owen'sFather/Jefferson/Hansel+Gretel'sfather), but if someone does the same to her it's all "OMGZ ADOPTED PARENTZ RIGHTZ OMGZ TEH HORRORZZZZ"?

[saiika_von_maou]

I'm getting really sick of this fandom trying to explain and make excuses for this character. I'm getting sick of the blow-ups of how her relationship with Henry portrays adoptive parenting. I'm getting sick of trying to make sense of any of this show, because quite frankly, I think any attempt at continuity or real-world accuracy in anything was squashed several episodes ago.

[(Anonymous)]

Well you have to remember that they are from another land, isolated from the "real world". Storybrooke looks and functions like our world (except with some magic now) but the people still seem to operate under the laws and customs of their own world. So... to be honest, they can really just explain anything away like this. Maybe their world doesn't have adoption laws. Maybe Emma has every right to Henry over there despite it being a closed adoption in our world.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, poor Regina. Her rights should be upheld. Oh, but not Hansel+Gretel's father's rights, or Jefferson's rights, naw. They're not the evil woobie queen/They're not adopted parents.

[(Anonymous)]

Parents that Regina has torn their children away from them/kidnapped them/ignored their parental rights: Owen's father, Hansel and Gretel's father, Jefferson.

Your point is moot.

[(Anonymous)]

See, here is the thing. Yes. Regina has done awful things and is to some extent a horrible person. That is irrelevant to the issue of the writers sending out a horrible message regarding the status of adoptive parents, in fact it makes the message being sent out even worse. The worse Regina acts, the worse the message is, because there is one thing that is beyond dispute. Emma gave Henry up and wandered off with the rest of her life. She stopped being his mom or having any right to concern in his life that day, and if the show keeps ignoring that then it is a slap in the face to every real adoptive kid and adoptive parent in the audience. The more evil the acts of Regina the harder that slap is.

LMFAO@all the people...

[(Anonymous)]

who keep saying Regina's rights are being neglected, and that the law says this or that. Sorry you guys, but if the courts found out what she has done-Raped a man for thirty years, forced hundreds of children to get something for her that lead to their gruesome deaths, kidnapped a man, murdered who knows how many people, and enslaved an entire town, THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN HENRY AWAY. A murderer would not be allowed to have adopted custody over a child.

Re: LMFAO@all the people...

[(Anonymous)]

What is this SJW obsession with man-rape? Is it just your lovely Mens Rights activists finding a safe way to bash women and express their misogyny, it is getting creepy now.