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[ SECRET POST #2306 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2306 ⌋

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I've heard people say that when he's in interviews he says great feminist things but his writing leaves something to be desired.

However, I personally haven't seen enough of his stuff to judge. All I can remark on is how I've seen other people react to his work. I've seen good come of it so maybe it's more like "one step forward, two steps back" kind of thing?

I don't know. This debate alone, honestly, makes me want to watch his stuff just so I can be better informed even though I have little to no interest in it otherwise.

Anyway, you do know a feminist can by misogynistic right? Because no one's perfect and we all make mistakes.

Edited 2013-04-26 23:16 (UTC)

"Anyway, you do know a feminist can by misogynistic right?"
This

I have seen lots of people who call themselves "feminists" go on and off about how wearing make-up and high heels makes a woman a disgusting piece of shit, because she helps strenghten the perception that women are superficial, dumb broads or something like that.

Yeah. I see that all the time. There was a post that just had me so done with some feminist website I was looking at because one of the articles point blank told me that if I were to get married and take my husband's last name then I was not a feminist. I was so disappointed with that site I haven't been back. And this is coming from someone who loves her last name so much that I am never going to change it for any reason.

Heck, I, myself, have done/said misogynistic things. I'm ashamed about it now. I have apologized and tried to change. But did that make me not a feminist back then? I don’t think so because at the time I was still trying for that equality in the best way I knew how. I made a mistake, obviously, but that does not negate everything else. I feel feminism is a growing process, not a hard line designation.

I feel feminism is a growing process, not a hard line designation.

This.

Also, there's a reason that my Women's Studies Intro class in college was called, "Intro to Feminism(s)," plural.

Huh, that's interesting. My school doesn't do that as far as I know so I think it's cool that your school does. I've never actually taken a feminism class. What do they talk about first? The history of it or do they jump into present issues? How do you think the pluralistic view your school took affected the teaching of the subject?

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femmenerd - 2013-04-28 18:40 (UTC) - Expand

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... that's not the same thing at all. If someone goes on and on about how wearing make-up makes a woman a piece of shit, they're not a feminist, as you've already pointed out with your use of quotation marks.

That's not misogyny. That's an opinion you don't agree with.

A misogenistic opinion that a woman can't live her life how she wants, dress how she wants, BE how she wants.

Any feminist who knows what the fuck they are talking about should disagree with that.

Edited 2013-04-27 16:05 (UTC)

I see you've met my cousin!

There's also the "any woman who works in sex work is filthy and stupid and a junkie" line. LOVE that one.

ERm... No?

If somone is a misogynist, they are NOT feminists.
Oh and fuck you for you're piss weak attempt to tarnish the cause.

Um, you can still believe and fight for equality but fuck up at times and not realize you're being misogynist.

Kind of like the article I read that I talked to the other anon about. It was on a well-known feminist site but it was misogynistic because it was trying to tell women how to live their lives.

I'm not tarnishing anything. Feminists don't always agree with one another. They are not a monolithic entity and they never have been.

No. Because misogyny is a term relating to an ONGOING thought process that devalues and hates on women. If you are a misogynist, it's because you devalue and hate women on an ongoing basis. There's a world of difference between "X is a misogynist!" and "X accidentally said something misogynistic."

So essentially your argument relies on semantics. Cool. We use a word differently.

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insanenoodlyguy - 2013-04-27 16:07 (UTC) - Expand

The word you are looking for is YOUR. Please learn proper grammar.

TONE ARGUMENT! >:(

DA

Isn't it a grammar argument?

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The word you are looking for is YOUR.

I'm a fan of proper grammar, but this is a really lazy, indirect way to attack someone you disagree with. Excuse me: with whom you disagree.

The other flaws in this comment have already been ably dealt with, so I'll just add: piss poor, OP. The phrase is "piss poor," not "piss weak."

For one, forgottenjester said "a feminist can [be] misogynistic." We're getting into semantics, here, but being A mysogynist and being mysogynistIC are two different things: one is an apparently stable character trait, and the other is an isolated incident or action.

Two: Feminism has never been a united cause. There have been popular causes within the each wave, but every women's studies teacher worth their salt will tell you no wave has ever been completely united -- and the Third Wave, THIS wave, is the least united of all! Because there is nothing like the suffrage movement, or access to basic education, health care, jobs.

Yes, we are still fighting, in many ways, to achieve real social equality, but in many ways we see women attacking women in the name of feminism and women's rights. We see extremists on both sides: Saying if a woman presents herself as effeminate, "girly" that she is a danger to the cause. But this is mysogynistic in its assumption that the effeminate are weak; that they are supporting a woman-hating "agenda" which men (~*because all men are evil*~) so long to enforce upon women, once again. Saying if a woman presents herself as butch, "manly" that she just wants to *be* a man. This nonsense simply harkens back to Freud's beloved "penis envy" theories, invalidating their arguments, and therefore positions, and women, wherein the mysogyny should be plain: telling a woman that she is not a real woman because of her gendered presentation is blatantly hateful.

Just look at the spectrum of feminism we have going, today. There are women who would love it if mpreg were a real thing who call themselves feminists; who go so far as to claim that vaginal penetration is a crime upon a woman's body, and no woman should allow such a thing to be done (a real, live quote from a feminist friend). If you've ever read Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale" there are women who would fight for a SaHM society to come back, and THEY call themselves feminists. It was easier to define "feminism" when there was a larger like (the aforementioned suffrage, access to basic education, etc). It's not nearly so easy, now, as so many people define feminism in so many ways.

But any attack on a women -- any judgement because of her sex, gendered presentation, whatever -- is mysogynistic. There are no hard-and-fast rules for any side, or any view. Everything in these arguments is an opinion.

Finally: Where you are flagrantly, abhorrently WRONG is in claiming that someone will or is trying to "tarnish the cause." Just because you don't think feminists can be mysogynistic, regardless of the form of the hate, doesn't mean that someone else doesn't see it. A single gripe about how celebrity shouldn't be wearing those tiny shorts because they're coming off as a whore is mysogynistic. Even if we've caught ourselves now, and have started changing our words and thoughts, doesn't mean we didn't do it in the past. We all have. Society gets you, and you have to work to pull yourself out and look at it with more scrutiny. Including those little comments and judgements.

Holy shit. *slow clap* I don't know how to compliment you without calling you sexy but that seems like a really bad choice of words for this topic.

HEY I'm a feminist who thinks it would be awesome and hot if mpreg was a thing!! HDU. (Not really behind the no P in V sex thing though, that's also hot)

Okay, no. I'm fucking pissed that someone would dare say to somone else they are a danger to the feminist cause.
For one, there is no "cause" right now, because it's all fractured. There's no uniting THING, like in the past.
For another, HOW DARE YOU! Your brand of feminism isn't the same as the person sitting next to you! There are people who insist that feminists should start calling themselves "equalists" because they want equality, not "women's rights." There are people who hate on men, and call themselves feminists, who hate on girly-girls, or butches, and call themselves feminists, so, on some level, there's a whole bunch'o hate getting flung around. You're just adding to it, man.

This. So much this.

I subscribe to Scott Adams' theory; the majority of humans are fucking morons a lot of the time, however smart they can be under certain circumstances or about certain things, because life is too complicated to be smart all the time about everything.

Seems reasonable.

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