[ SECRET POST #2312 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2312 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Fat camp is not a relatable problem for most people, not even most fat people. Do you have any shows about fat people who have normal people problems, instead of shows about fat that happens to be attached to people?

[(Anonymous)]

You're right. More people can definitely relate to hunting demons or being a werewolf.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but those are fun to watch. I don't want to watch a show that makes me feel bad about my body and makes me feel like I need to loose weight.

[chardmonster]

You seem to have a problem that cannot be solved by television shows.

[(Anonymous)]

I watch tv for enjoyment. Not to make me unhappy. I can do that on my own. And I don't need tv to tell me to loose weight. I'm pretty fucking aware of it.

[(Anonymous)]

We're not asking for TV to solve our problems, Chard. We're explaining why we won't watch a specific show.

[(Anonymous)]

I love you.

[kallanda_lee]

I agree with this. I look for escapism in TV shows, not shitty things that might actually exist in my real life.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but I'd rather watch a show about a fat person who hunts demons or is a werewolf than a show about a fat person who goes to fat camp.

[sabotabby]

Me too. More well-written female characters, more fat characters, more POC characters, etc. I'm all over that. But I am mostly into genre TV or very, very well-written drama—it has to have a plot that I'm into watching in the first place. Otherwise, I might as well watch a documentary.

[bur]

That would be an awesome show.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Suspension of disbelief crushed. The people who'd hunt superhuman creatures would presumably have to be in shape themselves. Not to mention the athletic demands of the roll.

Unless you wanna get some techy hunter in the mix, but even then, rules of drama demand high physical activity. Running to save somebody, etc.

Though it we watched a character actually get in shape as the show progressed, that'd be all kidsa awesome.

[intrigueing]

Exactly ;)

[(Anonymous)]

THIS!

fat monster hunters

[(Anonymous)]

You know what I always wanted to write/read/watch? A story about a fat vampire. A vampire who was fat, but was also a vampire who, er, sucked fat (there has to be a better way to phrase that) the way bog-standard vampires suck blood. Other vampires think there's something wrong/creepy/gross about this poor fatsucker, who can't pass on their new form of vampirism and make more fatpires. This poor shmuck doesn't suffer from standard-vampire weaknesses, although they sweat a lot, but at least they're never broke and don't have to worry about starvation any time soon--unlike blood, there's an awful lot of people who'll pay them to take fat away, and their rates are extremely reasonable.

[(Anonymous)]

THIIIIS! I think the whole fat camp thing just underlines that "Look LOOK! This character is fat and that's everything there is to her/him so we shall make this about fat camp!"
Why can't we just have a fat person, asexual, homosexual, etc hunt demons and being baddasses without the show just making some big drama about how they are "abnormal".

Also, I pretty much NEVER watch TV-shows which are about modern day drama, no matter what the cast is. I don't give a shit whether they are attractive or not. Those just aren't my cup of tea, they mostly just depress me.

[(Anonymous)]

lol +1

[chardmonster]

Preferably if the fat lead is dating a skinny white guy who might have at one point kissed one of the other skinny white guys

[(Anonymous)]

could you please not troll this one? Like let people have serious conversation without you being an asshole troll? Please?

[chardmonster]

I'm merely explaining what fandom would want from that show, that's all.

Which is a serious part of the discussion.

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't *about* her, but I always loved that Melissa McCarthy/Sookie's weight on Gilmore Girls was never once an issue. Not in wedding preparations, having babies, dating, any of it. Even in the face of them joking about Lauren Graham/Lorelai's height (when Lorelai, Sookie, Jackson, and Rune went on their double date), they didn't make an issue of weight. It was awesome to me, anyway.

[erinptah]

At the risk of getting jumped on by people saying "all comparisons between different types of discrimination are invalid!" (and ftr, I'm not saying these situations are identical or anything):

I watched Huge on the official website when it was running, and one of the things that struck me was that some of the dynamics were things I'd expect to see in a summer camp focusing on queer kids. (The supportive kind, not the crazy fundamentalist conversion-therapy kind.) You had a bunch of teenagers, from different backgrounds and with different interests, where the big common thread that bound them together was being bullied in similar ways. No matter what school they'd gone to, the stories were cut from the same cloth. And part of the camp experience was adjusting to an environment where they were average, normal, baseline -- where they could relate to each other based on their personalities and interests, without having that huge identity stumbling block get in the way.

And the kids did have "normal people problems." Everything from mental health problems to gender identity problems to LARPing problems. The adults had issues too, from long-standing family dramas to the quandary of whether it's acceptable to show the kids Twilight for movie night.

Even most of the scenes that were directly about weight or food are more broadly relatable. The kids have these group counseling sessions, with an emphasis on developing comfortable and healthy relationships with themselves, that have the same emotional dynamics you might get when trying to gently encourage any group of anxious, awkward teenagers. There's a staff member who describes herself as a recovering food addict, and whose self-regulation and lingering shame about past behavior feels very much like what you might get in a story about a recovering alcoholic character (which I've never heard anyone complain about on the basis of "people who aren't alcoholics won't want to watch that"). And so on.

tl;dr this show was excellent and had fully-developed characters who were plenty relatable.

[(Anonymous)]

While this is true, it's not necessarily what people what when they say they want more fat and body positive characters.

Because in the show you're describing the fact that the characters are fat is really, really important - its central the them meeting.

A lot of us want a show where fat people get to do all the stuff that skinny people do without their weight being a big deal.

[erinptah]

Well, sure, that's a fair thing to want, and that's not something Huge does.

(Not that the angle it does take is inherently bad, though, any more than something like But I'm A Cheerleader is bad queer representation because the main characters meet by virtue of being queer.)

What I take issue with is the AIRT's complaint that a show where the characters' weights are a major plot point can't address lots of different issues or feature relatable characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, THIS!