[ SECRET POST #2317 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2317 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

12. http://i.imgur.com/z87SF1i.png

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the Doctor was such a dick in that scene :/

[iggy]

There was so much Dickter in that episode.

[elephantinegrace]

10/10 would LOL again

[(Anonymous)]

is that from the current season? ( Have not seen any eps yet)

[fenm]

Yes, it's from S7. It's "The Angels Take Manhattan".

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's from The Angels Take Manhattan.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't blame you OP. River and the Doctor bugged me so much in that episode. The Doctor treating her the way he did and then River basically being like, "This is how our relationship works."

[othellia]

I almost did mind that as much I did her implication that "this is how all of the Doctor's relationships work" regarding her later advice to Amy about not letting him see her age.

[intrigueing]

I get that, although I didn't have as strong a reaction as you.

OTOH, since I've long since learned to stop making even a token attempt to be sympathetic to the characters in the episode Moffat writes, I feel free to express admiration for how powerful and visceral that scene was in its awfulness. Like, if they were completely different characters, it'd have been totally amazing. Moffat's writing generally doesn't lend itself much to raw brutal emotion, but that scene did it really well. Really great acting too.

[(Anonymous)]

What's going on in this scene?

[(Anonymous)]

River got her hand caught by the Angel you see in the picture - if you don't know the canon - they freeze when they're seen so that's why it's not moving but looking away would kill her before she could get away/the doctor could get her away. The only way for her to get free was to break her wrist and the Doctor knew it... so he kind of had a fit over it which included calling her names if I'm remembering correctly. Then I THINK she made him leave so that she could deal with it herself. The next you see of her is her walking into the other room and she's trying to pretend her wrist isn't broken (the Doctor later heals her). I'm not remembering it well enough to decide if he was actually being a dick in that scene but I don't remember being that bothered by it.

Major spoilers for "The Angels Take Manhattan"

[elephantinegrace]

Basically, there's a book that the Doctor realized is describing the situation with the Angels. The Doctor knows that as long as something's written, it's set in stone, and Amy's read that River breaks her wrist to get away from the Angel currently holding her. The Doctor refuses to help River get out of the Angel's grip and tells her to do it herself without breaking her wrist. He was a huge douchenozzle and it's the last time the really-should-not-be-husband-and-wife duo are seen onscreen together.

Re: Major spoilers for "The Angels Take Manhattan"

[(Anonymous)]

You left out the part where the reason he leaves was because he read the chapter titles of the book and saw the one that said "the final goodbye" - and freaked out about it. So he wanted to believe that River could find a way to get free without breaking her wrist... There's a lot more going on here than him being a dick just to be a dick.

Re: Major spoilers for "The Angels Take Manhattan"

[fenm]

Honest question: Why couldn't the Doctor just read the book? Wouldn't that have answered his questions AND assuaged his fears? And done so without him lashing out at anyone?

Re: Major spoilers for "The Angels Take Manhattan"

[(Anonymous)]

Because he was scared about what was going to happen. If he read it it was set in stone - so he had already read that River would break her wrist getting free. Then he read the final goodbye chapter title which made him upset. He wanted River to get free without breaking her wrist (he couldn't see how to do it - which I admit is rather stupid but there it is) - so he left her to do it. He was hoping she'd figure it out and thereby change that future - which would then mean the final goodbye might not happen.

Re: Major spoilers for "The Angels Take Manhattan"

[fenm]

Because he was scared about what was going to happen.

So, no, there was nothing that was actually stopping him.

Again: He could have read the book to find out what would happen rather than goad his wife into breaking her wrist.

Re: Major spoilers for "The Angels Take Manhattan"

[(Anonymous)]

Given the setup of the episode he already knew she was going to break her wrist - that was already a given. It was going to happen no matter what he did. If he stayed it would have been HIM breaking her wrist. So basically he was fucked either way.

Argue that writing of the episode was over the top and ridiculous if you want - I'll probably agree with you. But I'm not agreeing to the idea that the Doctor was a dick given the set up of the episode.

Re: Major spoilers for "The Angels Take Manhattan"

[replicantangel]

If it had been something he didn't like though, he wouldn't be able to change it, so it wouldn't have necessarily helped at all. All it would have done was give him a script that he *must* abide by, at risk of destroying the universe if he tried deviating from it.

I think the scene was meant to show that the things read could not be changed or undone. Unfortunately, shoddy writing throughout the episode (like with Rory dying alone but not really in the end) undermined it. And that doesn't change the fact that the Doctor *was* a major dick about the whole thing.

Anyway, just trying to explain where I *think* Moffat was coming from. I'm not a fan of it (Moffat fails as both a "big picture" writer and a writer with consistent characterization), but they did try to give a reasonable explanation for it.

Re: Major spoilers for "The Angels Take Manhattan"

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this. What he did didn't bother me, just his attitude while he did it.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you know why, OP? Like, do you have personal triggers with abuse or anything? Or was it something else that upset you?

[(Anonymous)]

Why? (genuinely curious, because there were a few different reasons I could think of for getting upset).

[kallanda_lee]

I thought it was pretty powerful, in the sense that it exposed quite unceremoniously how fragile and well, puny, humans are compared to the Doctor. It's just easy to forget because he looks human.

[(Anonymous)]

This secret depresses me because I didn't recognize the scene and figured it was from one of the last few episodes that I haven't felt like watching. I want to still love this show but I guess the affair is over );

[(Anonymous)]

ME TOO OMG