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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-05-09 07:11 pm

[ SECRET POST #2319 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2319 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(Anonymous) 2013-05-09 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
See, I feel you. Why the fuck would you kill Banquo off like that? I tried to keep reading it but it just turned into this self-wanking pretentious fuckery and I just couldn't be arsed to care about any of the other characters at that point

(Anonymous) 2013-05-09 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure I like the implication here that killing off a certain character makes the writer a bad person.

Don't know the source material but that seems... unlikely? Odd? An absurd overreaction?

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
mainly because that one particular character was carrying almost the entire comic

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
That might make it a shitty creative choice, but I don't think it makes it a morally bad decision. I mean, I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know if that's why the OP is saying the writer is a shitty person. I read it as 'This person is shitty, so I'm glad their famous comic is going down in flames' than 'You killed this character! You are a shitty person!'.

DA, btw.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
The specific part that is most odd to me is "The artist is a good person, though" - the implication of which seems to be that the writer isn't. I'm probably just making too much of it, but I really can't think of any other way to construe it, especially in combination with the rest of the secret.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
Well... a lot of times artist and writers in collabs have little to do with each other. It may even be a commission type deal(I don't know in this case, but there are some)

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

What the anon above me said - the artist might have little to nothing to with the writing, and/or they might come across as a far nicer person [and possibly work on other comics as well, so this one crashing and burning wouldn't effect them as much as it would the writer.]
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[personal profile] darkmanifest 2013-05-10 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
When it happened, I was utterly convinced Banquo could not possibly be dead and would be back any moment. To the point where I gave up just because I felt it was taking too long and I figured I'd catch up later when he was surprise!alive. I'm actually flabbergasted to see it was true all along. It's one thing to kill off a major character in a group cast, but the co-star in a two-man story riding almost entirely on the personality clashes of those two men? Who does that? What was there left to even read about? I've got no malice for the writer, but just...what in the world was her logic?

I feel like she intentionally torpedoed the story for some some reason. Like she came to hate Banquo and just wanted him gone and fuck the obvious consequences. I can respect that. If she actually thought it was a smart move, though, that's where once again I'm baffled.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
O maybe she took this stupid "kill your darlings" too seriously. I hate it when writers, just for being edgy and contrary, decide to kill off a main character because they have this silly notion that somehow makes them better writers than all those chickens who let their main characters live.
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[identity profile] childings.livejournal.com 2013-05-10 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
I started reading this forever ago because of F!S and I stopped for some reason, I was gonna pick it back up again but ...welp.

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[personal profile] amanuensis1 2013-05-10 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
Did it finish? I should go back and look at it now that it's done. I stopped reading it a while back.

I felt I understood why the author felt she had to kill off one of the two main characters, having kind of written herself into it with that particular villain. But I did think that meant the story was going to have to wrap up once that was resolved, because, yeah, one of two main characters offed?

Still, I'd like to find out how it ended.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, it's not finished. She just stopped.
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[personal profile] amanuensis1 2013-05-10 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Really? That's too bad.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
It doesn't just end, though. They wrapped up part of the story.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
Now that you mention it, yeah, I adored the comic but just lost interest when he died.

And all the other commenters beat me with my thoughts :V (did it for hipster points or got tired of the character/comic)

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
Oh man, I completely forgot about this comic, I had loved it. And then the author killed him off and I guess I stopped checking.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
I literally ALWAYS thought this was a prequel, and leading up to both of their deaths. I figured after Collin died, it would cut to a modern day setting with both of them alive, but having the problems they faced in their past incarnation still following them.

Like... we'd get to see them going through relatively the same process, and be able to scream and screen when they time came close for Banquo's death. Like, maybe this time it will be avoided.

I thought it'd be interesting to see a 'keep living it till you do it right' kind of comic... but yeah. Just what the fuck was going through the writer's head? I really REALLY want to know.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a whole lot of hatred against someone who created characters you seem to love... Take a deep breath, OP, and think about what you're saying. You're like those people who hate the SPN writers for torturing Dean & Sam. They're not real characters and the fact that you're reacting this way means the writer is pretty amazing.

Killing Banquo was ballsy and handled really well but it did kill off the unrequited love story. Guess some people just wanted cowboy romance instead of revenge.

(And since we're discussing GC! My problem with the comic is mainly the art which has become much more One Piece-ish. I also find Colin's new buddy hard to relate to so... Yeah. Who else think that?)

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Killing Banquo wasn't ballsy, it was stupid and off the cuff. After that the entire comic fell apart. If it had remained solid, and kept updating like it used to, then yeah. I would say it was handled well. Instead, it seemed that whoever was doing the comic, just... didn't like it anymore. It lost direction, and just seemed like the storyline stopped. I understand if they were going for a big plot twist, but it just fell short of all possible expectations.

And the reason you prolly don't like Colin's new buddy, is because the writer doesn't have the ability to flesh him out properly.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-10 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
See, for me it's not a big plot twist - it's definitely shocking but Banquo's death is the logical conclusion of the tonal shift that starts when he and Colin accidentally blow up the train and kill people iirc.

Anyway. Agreed that Colin's new buddy is not that developed but dude: harsh. The comic's writer gave us a lot of good stuff in the past years, the comics is extremely researched in terms of the era and how about Banquo and Colin? Pretty fleshed out. Saying the writers "doesn't have the ability" is unfair.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-11 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think it's that unfair.

Yes, they did their research for the era. I will give that to them, they were able to flesh a world out very well. But they're characterizations, unless they were the two leads, fell extemely flat for me. It felt like so many different things were put in the making, so many different possible storylines with different characters, and then the next page came out and it was a day later. I honestly don't think that the writer has the ability to flesh out secondary characters.

Which is why, when Banquo was killed, the story fell apart, because they had so many secondary characters out there, that could have filled in the gap, but they had spent no time working on them. Thus Johnny comes in cocksure, and we're left going 'who is he?!' The reader doesn't know, thus I was unable to connect.