[ SECRET POST #2337 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2337 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 062 secrets from Secret Submission Post #334.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/lG0ikEh.png

[(Anonymous)]

On the one hand I agree with the general idea of this secret (Attractive helpless boys being sexulaized to death and braindeath. mmmmm, that's some tasty turnabout) but I think I'd be squicked out by the ending where the men turn around and commit various acts of violence against their female doctors. Seems a little too much like what they did to Nurse Ratchet, which, needless to say, is NOT ON.

[(Anonymous)]

So, you're OK with male characters being objectified and brutalized, as long -- as they're not allowed to fight back against the fictional characters who brutalized them. Because that would be ~wrong~, because violence against women, even in-story evil powerful women in positions of authority who did horrible things, is somehow just not on. Even though you believe the objectification and brutalization of the male characters is okay because that's just fiction.

You do realize that's 100000X more icky than the secret, don't you? The secret is just fine to me, I totally understand and even pretty much agree, but this comment is utterly repulsive.

[(Anonymous)]

So, you think what they did to nurse ratchet was ok, and not in the least bit squicky, then?

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing exists in a vacuum. You can't pretend that such a hypothetical canon would be demonizing women in a problematic way. When you live in a world where people can literally, unquestionably, beat the shit out of their girlfriends and have tons of people defend them in popular media despite their being absolutely no justifiable reason for his actions... well it kinda puts a damper on watching women get beat up by men - even in fictional situations where the women are the bad guys.

Such a hypothetical film could and should be rewritten to include several evil men as well as evil women and some good men as well as good women. (They old man in Sucker Punch could be an old woman and some of the orderlies could be men).

OP

[(Anonymous)]

OP of secret here, and I personally don't think helpless boys fighting back against powerful women is remotely a problem. If the revenge was sexualised from the point of view of the male characters (in any way other than the purely symbolic; e.g. stabbing through the chest might be vaguely Freudian, but in a practical sense it works and presumably the stabber's not getting off on it) then it would be a big problem. Also not particularly comfortable with female victims sexualising their revenge unless the girls in question are supposed to be horrible people as bad as their abusers; it's less socially problematic, but that doesn't make it not creepy.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah but if they were boys with MALE captors.. goddamn that would be hot.

[(Anonymous)]

I... could live with that. :)

[(Anonymous)]

No.

Um wow no.

Attractive helpless boys being sexualized to death IS excellent turnabout, yes, but within a fictional story, if character A inflicts awful acts upon character B without justification, the narrative is entitled to give character A comeuppance for their crimes, and character B is allowed to be the instigator of that comeuppance, as he was the one who was wronged.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't some forms of comeuppance that could send offensive skeevy sexist messages - those exist, and those should definitely be avoided. But a blanket "not on"? Fuck no.

[(Anonymous)]

I think I missed something. Is Nurse Ratchet a sympathetic character now? Was OFOTCN rewritten so she was a sadistic psychopathic bitch who tortures the people she's responsible for caring for?

rock on

[(Anonymous)]

i agree with this comment

[(Anonymous)]

The thing I can't get past whenever someone brings up One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is the constant misspelling of Nurse Ratched's name.

"Nurse Ratchet" makes me think of a Rule 63'd Autobot medic who turns into an ambulance.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you trying to say: "I don't like movies where any violence against women is vindicated"?

[(Anonymous)]

You're that anon who thinks it's okay to rape little boys in real life because they'll grow up to become men, right?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I was thinking of the doctors also being male.

[(Anonymous)]

'Scuse me, but my kinks are not political turnabout. I want to see fictional boys suffering because I'm a hetero female with sadist tendencies, not as some kind of revenge for the oppression of women. The fictional boys didn't do a damn thing to me.

[(Anonymous)]

wow, there sure are a lot of terrible feminists up in here

the stench of rape-apologists is almost unbearable

[insanenoodlyguy]

6/10. I didn't need to do anything cause you did already. You'd have a higher score but I'm the first responder. It'd have been better if you'd posted earlier.

[(Anonymous)]

I gotta say that I would read the ever-loving fuck out of a book (or watch the movie) like that, no shame. I haven't read that book but I did watch Sucker Punch and I liked it while still agreeing that it's problematic. A boy version would also be problematic.
but so, so hot.

Actually if this hasn't been written I'm fucking writing it.

[(Anonymous)]

or game? I have no idea what the Asylum one is, is what I'm getting at

[insanenoodlyguy]

At least you admit your purient interest in the product.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I know SP has problems and missed the feminist points it was allegedly aiming at by a huge margin, but it also made some points I did like which the creators didn't even intend, though more in regard to mental health than femininity. That and it was bang on target with my "hell yeah big guns and awesome soundtrack" buttons.

[kallanda_lee]

I'm not familiar with The Asylum, but Sucker Punch could have been interesting with guys IF they pretty much told the same story. Besides having male eye candy, it could have also told a story we do not often see. Then it would have been a boy trying to save his younger brother from abuse, being in a situation where he's basically powerless, and the dream subplot would also have dealt with sexual exploitation of boys.

To be honest, I do not think Hollywood currently has the balls to do that in a big budget movie.

[ariakas]

I concur, there's no way they'd do that in anything but an indie art film, but switching the dynamics around would make for a fascinating story. Especially if there was a sense that women were in charge of said asylum because women "don't do things like that" (rape, abuse, etc.) in the popular imagination.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone on the Hetalia kinkmeme posted two chapters of a fusion with the humanised male APH characters in the roles of the SP inmates over a year ago, then dropped it, which sucks hugely because I was enjoying it :{