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serious question (not in the US btw). "WHITES" comes up in SJ posts all the time and I have no idea how to relate to it.

I think in the US, whites are people of European descent, not mixed with anything else. But then, there are some groups where I don't know if they are considered white, like Jewish people of European descent and some middle Eastern people who look white (like a half-Turkish girl I know with skin the same color as most white people and blonde hair.)

I don't know what's considered white in Europe.

there are some groups where I don't know if they are considered white, like Jewish people of European descent

I'm in the US and they're definitely considered white, at least in my region. My dad is Jewish and has European ancestry...he has light skin, dark blond hair and blue eyes, and I don't know anyone who would consider him anything other than white. All of his Jewish/European friends are also considered white here.

Is Turkish really considered Middle Eastern? I've always considered that European as well, but I guess it depends. I know a Turkish guy who has dark hair, dark eyes, and tanned skin, and people usually mistake him for Italian. He doesn't consider himself white (I'm not sure what he *does* consider himself tbh) but everyone we know does.

I don't think white as a term makes much sense in Europe. I mean if you go by skin colour alone it would include most of eastern Europe and they face quite a lot of discrimination around here.

This is really off topic, but apparently definition of Easter Europe depends mostly on where you are from. So where so do you, guys, have those imaginary "borders"?

Generaly it goes on if they are former sovjet nations or not.

That is interesting. I'm American, and Eastern Europeans are definitely white where I am (I have some Russian and Ukrainian ancestry and it has never even occurred to me that anyone would ever think I was not completely white). But as far as I know, Eastern European immigrants are not commonly discriminated against in the US today.

Really? Here everyone is always on the OMG they are taking our jobs thing.

I think the taking our jobs blame always goes to whatever groups the biggest immigrant populations belong to. In the US that would be Mexico and South America, and southeast Asia in some regions, so Eastern Europe is mostly passed over in, uh, favor of those when Americans want to rant about stolen jobs.

DA

Yep, here in the southern US it's always THOSE DAMN MEXICANS who are "stealing our jobs"

My understanding is that white generally refers to people who are of European ancestry that either aren't mixed with anything else, *or* mixed several generations back - at least, it seems to be where I live in the US.

As far as I can tell, "white" refers to non-hispanic caucasian. I've always taken "white" to refer to both US whites and UK whites, unless specified otherwise, simply because the general racial structures of both countries is similar.

But outside of that, I've got nothing.

Oh, yeah, the Hispanic Caucasian thing is confusing to me. I definitely consider my neighbor from Spain white, but most people from South America aren't considered white where I am. Of course, most of them are mixed with the indigenous people of that area, so they aren't white, but I know there are white people in South America. Not sure what they would be considered if there were any in my area.

Said Hypothetical Person would be considered white, until people realize where Hypothetical Person is from, and then their minds will be blown as they try to reconcile reality with societal ideas that are crumbling more and more with each generation.

That's what I figured it would happen to me if I ever were to visit the US. (I have white skin, but are 100% Mexican, well, culturally. Ethnically I'm a mix of French ancestry with indigenous/Spanish blood)

NA I suddenly realise that by this reasoning our Queen is not white...

Re: Are "whites" in Europe and the US the same?

(Anonymous) - 2013-05-31 11:09 (UTC) - Expand

In the US, "Hispanic" is as much a linguistic/cultural grouping as it is a racial one.

No self-respecting Latin American would consider someone from Spain anything but white.

because there are no black spaniards ammirite?

We're talking about white europeans, which clearly don't include Spanish people of black or middle-eastern background, but good attempt at trolling.

Re: Are "whites" in Europe and the US the same?

(Anonymous) - 2013-05-31 05:18 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Are "whites" in Europe and the US the same?

(Anonymous) - 2013-05-31 05:20 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Are "whites" in Europe and the US the same?

lynx - 2013-05-31 05:24 (UTC) - Expand

In the Us, it depends on who you talk to and where. In some parts of the US, whites mean anyone of Northern European or Germanic heritage. So, a person who is light eyed, light haired and extremely fair skin (before a tan) like someone of Norwegian heritage would be considered "white" while a dark eyes, dark haired, olive skin person like someone of Sicilian heritage would not. And, yet, in other parts of the US, anyone who is of ethnic European heritage is considered white. So, a Greek would be considered just as white as a Swede.

It really depends what's the ethnic majority norm for the area. The area where you have to look Northern European/Germanic is usually middle America because, guess what, the ethnic majority that settled there is Northern European/Germanic. So, if you go away from that "norm" you are considered an outsider. While some place more diverse like NYC goes less by what you look like and more by your country of origin because they are less likely to have a ethnic majority norm.

pretty much this

Anyone who is Caucasian is white.

I figured it just meant Caucasian people, so colonial descendants and the like

In SJ post it seems to come down to the people with "white privilege", but in Europe being "white" is not always being privileged. Most people from the Baltics (or the former Soviet Union) are not privelieged in the same way as "white" people from say England, France or Scandinavia.

Which is the problem when talking about racism with especially Americans (though not just them) is that quite often they don't know that discrimination happens in Europe, not only because of skin colour, but also because of your country of birth, no matter how "white" you are.

Did that make sense?

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