[ SECRET POST #2355 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2355 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

He's a Byronic hero; the dickishness is part of his appeal.

Although, tbh, I don't know what is worse about this book - when Mr. Rochester is a strong and virile but kind of a dick at the beginning, or when he's completely castrated at the end. It's like Jane can never really be with him unless he's lost all his spark and is completely dependent on her? That's kind of fucked up, seriously!

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. I'm not sure how which one is supposed to appeal to me, but neither one does. Don't like him when he's playing the dickish brooding alpha male, don't like him when he's blind and NOW he's sorry about all the shitty things he did.

I don't understand readers who swoon over that. O_o

[(Anonymous)]

You said it. This is one of the most irritating books I've ever read. I hate it so much more than even the oft-maligned Wuthering Heights, which is screwed up but at least lacks the sanctimonious tone of Jane Eyre. Urgh.

[liveoddly]

Wuthering Heights is at least meant to be screwed up, at least as I read it. It's not a love story, it's a ghost story. I don't think Wuthering Heights was ever meant to be aspirational, but Jane Eyre seems to be, and that makes it a million times worse.

(I actually really enjoyed Wuthering Heights, and was appropriately horrified to find that apparently it's now shelved with Twilight in my local bookshop)

[(Anonymous)]

Because you're supposed to be attracted to douchebag men, duh!

This is why I can't deal with stuff that focuses on relationships. And why I kind of hate being a girl.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you read Wide Sargasso Sea (Jean Rhys)? It's a prequel, from the perspective of Bertha/Antoinette, his first wife. I read Jane Eyre first, liked it well enough, even though Rochester was a twat, but now that I've read Wide Sargasso Sea I can't stand Rochester at all. Maybe you'll like it?

[badass_tiger]

Yeah, I think it's pretty pathetic too. I'm a big fan of Pride and Prejudice and when I mentioned that to a friend, she told me I'd be bound to love Jane Eyre more.

...no. No I did not. It's like the unholy father of all romantic cliches ugh.

[liveoddly]

I read it earlier this year. It was the first book in about ten years that I've really struggled to finish. Jane was whiny, Rochester was a dick in all kinds of ways, and the only two characters I was interested in (Bertha and St. John) had no time devoted to their stories. Legitimately the worst book I've ever read.

AFAICT, the only good thing about Jane Eyre was that it paved the way for Wide Sargasso Sea, which is a wonderful fanfic/book.

[(Anonymous)]

I just found it incredibly boring. It's the only book for which I couldn't find a single redeeming quality. It was required reading when I was in 10th grade and it was the only book we weren't allowed to switch out for something else. More than half of the people in my grade never read it and there was a schoolboard meeting about it and everything. They eventually just removed everything about the book from factoring into our grades and the next year it wasn't part of the curriculum. I feel so sorry for students around the world who still have to read it.

[(Anonymous)]

Jane Eyre is overrated as fuck. Try Villette instead. It's by the same author, but ten times better.

[(Anonymous)]

This was my mom's favorite book as a young girl. Of course, she's in her 80's and was born in the 1920's. I'd say different times but then today 50 Shades is all the rage.

[nynaeve_sedai]

It's one of my favorite novels, so I'll chime in as to why I love it.

Yes, Rochester is a d-bag. He's *supposed* to be in order that he might find his redemption. There's a very strong religious theme throughout the novel (Bronte was a staunch Protestant and her faith comes out in her other novels, specifically I'm thinking of Villette). Contrast the two characters - Rochester is duped into marriage vows and justifies himself in searching for pleasure. Jane, her hard life surrounding her, is faced with the reality that she could be with him, no one would know, but her integrity won't allow it. They both have lessons to be learned in their separation, Rochester finds redemption and Jane finds her strength. Then and only then are they able to be together in a true sense.

Some of Rochester's behavior is no doubt influenced by the time period, but you're suppose to get the impression at the end that he's no longer the arrogant prick he was before. He has been humbled, humbled enough to deserve Jane. He's not a complete invalid at the end, but he is broken and that brokenness is a beautiful thing.

That's not to say you'll love the story - and I totally get people not enjoying it, everyone has their tastes in literature (I can't stand Jane Austen). But at the very least, what appeals to me in the story are characters that go through profound changes and make hard choices in the face of insurmountable odds. (As for the book itself, it was somewhat controversial for its time - it demonstrated far too much emotion/sensuality than most found sensible - of course, by our standards it's rather tame).

[(Anonymous)]

It's not really one of my favourite books at all. I've read it for pleasure and for lit class and I'm not a fan of Rochester at all and I can sympathise with people's irritation towards it. But I think the book is about more than just the central romance. But I'm not sure why anyone would force themselves to read a book they weren't enjoying unless it was for a class. So if it's not your thing I'm sure that's ok.

you're either too dumb...

[(Anonymous)]

or just really unable to get it then. mr. rochester is a dick, i don't feel like going into the nuances of his character but if you seriously think jane is a doormat then maaaaan are you missing all the most important intricacies of her characterization.

stop thinking shallowly in the context of "modern day feminism" and think about this on a more analytic level. you need to actually think about the scenes of when jane is in school, working, talking to the other characters and most importantly think about what she's actually saying. she is not a doormat. and if you still don't see it, you can always cheat and you know.

use google.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't feel bad; besides, Wuthering Heights is a better novel. Everyone is either terrible to one another or too weak willed to deal and fantastic drama that takes two generations to unscrew up!

[omorka]

If you read it as setting up Rochester for some epic whump, which he richly deserves, it's not bad, but it's not a great book by any means. I enjoyed it more than Tess, for instance, but Tess is by far the better book, as is anything by Austen. I don't read Jane as a doormat (she's too active for that), but she's definitely got the external-locus-of-control thing going on, which is problematic.

[childings.livejournal.com]

No, DON'T FEEL DUMB, it is a stupid book. It's annoying too because the first chapter where she's at the girl's school and calls out the headmaster (or whoever he was, I haven't read this book in like fifteen years) on his hypocrisy for letting his daughters wear their hair in the latest styles while all the schoolgirls have to look "modest" is great... then she just becomes a governess or whatever and it turns into this stupid romance and bleh. Terrible book

[(Anonymous)]

Meanwhile, I actually like Rochester because I find him a less douchey and actually amusing version of Austen's Darcy.

/doing it wrong

[(Anonymous)]

As apparently the one person in the world who loves this book and is neutral to negative on Rochester, my two cents: For me the most interesting thing about the book is what a badass Jane is. She's sarcastic and prickly (and, yes, incredibly self-righteous, but personally I find that both believable and fascinating), and she feels completely trapped by everything about her life, as trapped as Bertha is in her attic. Basically her only outlets are art, snark, and sex (or at least the very Victorian-ly implied possibility of sex) and boy does she make the most of them—I always have to stop reading and triumphantly fistpump when she snarks at St. John during his proposal.

Rochester I think is sort of hilariously douchey; I always want to pat him on the head and ask him how many copies of the complete works of Byron he owns (I figure it's got to be three for each house at least, right?). But I love Jane, and I want that fierce bitch to have a happy ending. Even if it's with someone with such an absurdly gothic temperament that he thinks a good idea to dress up like a gypsy at his own party.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm with you, anon. I read the book for an English lit class and I didn't like Mr. Rochester or Jane.

B!S: I don't much care for Mr. Darcy, either.

[dragonimp]

It's a very dated book, with a very dated romance. And the characterizations are all ... dated. But I do think there's more to it than you're seeing. For one, Jane's not a doormat. You have to take in the time period and her position. He's her employer, and has more social status than she does. Given that, she's pretty feisty towards him.

[(Anonymous)]

I really liked it before Rochester showed up, but stopped reading after several chapters of him.

[redseeker]

Did you ever get all the way through the book?

Jane doesn't 'put up with' Rochester's shit, she leaves. And Rochester is humbled, both by that and by the terrible burns he receives from Bertha's fire. Jane spends her time away from him on a journey of her own to find both her own inner fire and her religious strength (which her worshipful devotion of Rochester has eclipsed), so that by the time they finally reunite she is self-assured and strong enough, and he is redeemed enough, for them to meet as equals rather than master and servant.

nynaeve_sedai's comments further up put it in better words than I can, but Jane Eyre is one of my favourite novels and I studied it a lot at university, so I think dismissing it without a closer reading isn't really fair.

Also, there is no obligation to like the characters of a novel as people in order to appreciate the skill of the work itself, or to appreciate them as characters...

[(Anonymous)]

That's okay, OP, you've got perfectly valid reasons for hating this book. The only reason you're not allowed to hate this book is if you're a Caribbean woman and the inherent racism strikes a really bad chord. Because then you're just racist yourself or some such thing.