[ SECRET POST #2374 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2374 ⌋

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[A7X]


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[Archer]


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[x-files]


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[Danisnotonfire/AmazingPhil]


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[Earth2]


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[Saving Hope]


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[Kim Coates]


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[DeliciousCinnamon]


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[Moyashimon]


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[Lucy Lawless]


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[Richard Armitage]


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[Chuck]


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[Keeping Up Appearances]


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Comments

[tamabonotchi]

You can say the exact same thing about conservatives, you know. There are conservatives that aren't dicks as well as liberals that aren't, and there is a group of dicks in both parties.
Having the same liberal values doesn't mean you align with them, just don't associate yourself with them.

[(Anonymous)]

True but the majority of conservatives are against rights for gays or women and IMO there's not a whole lot of ways to not make that assholish.

[(Anonymous)]

No, there is a vocal group of conservative politicians who are against LGBTQ and women's rights. And they aren't getting blindly reelected anymore because their constituents do not agree with them.

[(Anonymous)]

uhhhhh

I mean, I'd like that to be true, but I don't really see any practical evidence of it being true. Maybe on the level of national politics and in moderate or toss-up districts and in conversations about "the future of the Republican party", but not as a description of the kind of candidates the conservative Republican base wants, and demands, and the kind of politicians who win elections in deep-red districts and states. They're still perfectly happy electing constituents who are opposed to womens' rights and gay rights; indeed, they pretty much insist on it.

[saku]

as a whole conservatives aren't being reelected at the rate they used to be because the voter group is no longer as conservative as it once was.

a lot of conservative voters actually don't vote forcertain "mainstream" conservative politicians anymore because they don't find them conservative enough.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish this was true, but if you are even a teensy tiny bit aware of politics in the U.S., you would know that it isn't. Not to the extent that we can stop saying that conservatives stand for hating on gay rights and women.

[(Anonymous)]

But the majority of conservatives aren't. The majority of PEOPLE are for rights for gays and women. You can't base your assumption on what most people are like on the comments extremists post online. Look at voting trends and you'll see most conservatives have the same social values as liberals.

[(Anonymous)]

Voting trends could make an argument that conservatives increasingly have the same social values as liberals and that in 20 or 30 years they will have the same social values as liberals. But right now, they don't.

If they do, why are they still trying to ban gay marriage and abortion? Conservatives just tried to pass dramatic abortion restrictions in Texas last week. They just did it in North Carolina literally last night. If they share the same social values, why does this shit keep happening?

[chardmonster]

Was there some kind of town hall meeting where All Conservatives decided they only believe certain things

Why wasn't this covered?

[(Anonymous)]

obviously i am making generalizations to an extent

i suppose i could have made that clearer but i think it's basically justified if we're talking about conservativism as a political phenomenon in the world.

[(Anonymous)]

What the conservative politicians do is not necessarily reflective of what conservative voters want. I live in Texas and actually voted for one of the asshats behind last week's fuckery, much to my eternal shame. But there has never been any indication until two months ago that they would do something like this and of course I wouldn't have voted for them if I'd known they would, nor would anyone else I know. My workplace is filled with conservatives and all but one vile person were absolutely disgusted by what happened last week. And in my immediate family, no one votes along party lines, which is consistent with voter trends across the country. I'm economically conservative and socially liberal, as are my spouse, parents, and siblings, and we all vote that way. And voting trends from 2012 indicate most registered republicans are the same way.

[(Anonymous)]

Alright, I accept that this is a factor that I did not account for. It's something that I didn't think of.

But... I have to admit that I am kind of surprised that you're surprised by stuff like this. Because it's not like it's been a secret. There has been every indication that Republicans would do stuff like this, because it's what they do as a party. The Republican Party has been staunchly and consistently and regularly against abortion and womens' rights, both in principle and in action, for at least the last decade. They've been opposed to abortion to a very great extent for the last 30 or 35 years. This is not a new development or a secret; they have been publicly and frequently and vociferously opposed to abortion. I suppose the extreme lengths of political trickery are a little new. But even then, not really. I'm surprised at you not realizing this because this is what the Republican Party is. There were plenty of indications that Republicans would do this; it's not like it's a new development for them.

I guess it's possible that the majority of Republican voters are socially liberal. But if that's the case, you should get to fucking voting. Because your party keeps on nominating and electing politicians who are the opposite of socially liberal - as far from being socially liberal as possible - and not only electing them but actively working to expel everyone who is not sufficiently socially illiberal. If you really think that all those things are not indicative of the beliefs of the majority of Republican voters, prove it with your fucking actions, because as it stands, the Republican Party as it actually exists - the Republican Party you are supporting - is in no way socially liberal. It's the opposite, almost frighteningly so.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I don't think either party is really putting forth or nominating the candidates the voters want. The party system in America is broken. Decades of corruption have left the people without a voice in government.

[(Anonymous)]

This. The GOP has gotten more extreme over the years, caving in more and more to pressure from the religious right. I sympathize with people who are nominally Republican but more socially liberal, but it isn't exactly breaking news that your party has long since gone off the rails.

You are certainly entitled to protest at being lumped in with the vocal minority of hateful bigots, but if I were you, I'd spend less time expressing outrage over other people giving you the side-eye for still identifying as Republican, and more time seeing that the hateful bigots aren't elected and don't get to spout their bullshit without being repeatedly, loudly called on it by people from their own party.

[iceyred]

Thank you. I get kind of tired of conservatives being vilified. Liberals are just as jackassy as we are.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. It disturbs me that anyone would think that the actions of some are representative of all. The person upthread seems to think that all of the conservative politicians are doing exactly what their voters want them to do and that just isn't the case at all. Just as it isn't the case that what liberal politicians do is always representative of what their voters want.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think the actions of the politicians are necessarily representative of what every single person who voted for them wants them to do, or of every single conservative or every single Republican.

But I do think that they're representative of what the Republican base and Republican activists want. I think it is a significant fact that Republican politicians keep getting elected who believe these things and who vote for these things, and that it is increasingly difficult to get elected to a position of power as a Republican without believing those things. Of course that still doesn't mean that all conservative voters deeply desire those things. But I think it at least means that the majority of people who vote for these politicians are at least OK with those positions.

Seriously, what's your explanation for the observed phenomenon that a ton of elected Republicans are opposed to and vote against rights for gays and women, and that the institutional Republican party is made up more and more of people who demand such opposition, that doesn't indicate that many or most of the people who vote for them and who belong to the Republican party don't support those things either actively or passively?

Again, that doesn't mean that all conservatives or Republicans believe those things (this may be the case especially in blue states). But I think it's generally true in terms of who the modern Republican party is and what they believe and how they act on those beliefs.

[diet_poison]

This - and it's a major reason I forswore any loyalty I once had to conservative politics. When the party I used to favor starts making total dicks of themselves, well...I don't want to support them anymore.

I also became waaay less conservative as a person, but that actually happened after deciding I didn't like Republicans very much any more.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is that these people keep getting elected, regardless of who they're really supposed to represent, and embody the whole of their voters to the public. Whenever a Republican leader (or a Democrat) makes ridiculous or bigoted decisions, AND gets re-elected after that, then people are going to think that the voters agree with those decisions. The two-party system has its flaws...

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure they are, and I will totally believe you as soon as you tell me what minority groups liberals have made it party business to marginalize and discriminate against for decades and decades the way conservatives have marginalized and discriminated against homosexuals, anyone who's not white, and women.



Hint: If you say white males or Christians, people will laugh at you.

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize that there are many different types of douchebag, and bigots are only one of them?

[iceyred]

The other anon is correct. Jerkass comes in many different flavors. Personally, I can't stand the flavor of whining about self-inflicted problems, convincing people they are victims when they aren't, and blaming society for every problem under the sun. Passive-aggressive dismissal of an argument I haven't made and have not intention of making is another pet peeve.

The GOP has problems. God above, does it have problems. I will not be voting for the Republican candidates in my state because the problems are so obvious and ridiculous. But can we not pretend like conservatives are the only ones who are jerks? And we are a little more varied in our beliefs and attitudes than the media would have everyone think.

[(Anonymous)]

oh boo hoo

[(Anonymous)]

Other anon here: my personal favorite (and they're a really all-inclusive variety; you can find them in just about any group you can name, advocating for any philosophy or cause) is the "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts, here let me regurgitate a bunch of undigested dogma from my belief system of choice, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T BUY IT WHAT IS THERE TO TALK ABOUT CLEARLY I AM RIGHT AND YOU SUCK" jerkass.