[ SECRET POST #2396 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2396 ⌋

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[Jason Segel, in "Forgetting Sarah Marshall"]


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[The Cinema Snob]


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[The Fall]















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Comments

[ariakas]

Very stupid people might not be aware that Europeans have also worn flower crowns for centuries, if not millennia?

[(Anonymous)]

So you're saying it's appropriative of the Druids? Who have been dead for aaaaaaaages?

[ariakas]

The Druids appropriated it from the Greeks, which is why the Vikings attacked the Celts in the first place: they thought it was problematic.

[(Anonymous)]

A+ would LOL again.

[(Anonymous)]

Hahahah!

Just for clarification, I am not laughing AT the Celts, I am laughing WITH the Vikings. (Never know who you're going to offend these days.)
:D

[(Anonymous)]

Some flower wreaths are distinctively Polynesian because the leaves or the flowers are native only to Polysiean islands, but I can't recall which ones are. Each flower, leaf, or lei or wreath design has a meaning to it.

As Hawai'ians are very serious about preserving their dying culture, I would say their concern about those flowers and leaves particular to their culture (if any are being used in this meme) isn't a trivial thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Why?

Doesn't seem much value in preserving something for the sake of preserving it, and it's never a battle you're going to win.

Even setting that aside, I fail to see how another group making use of the aesthetics in any way hurts the original culture.

[(Anonymous)]

da. Years ago when I was a young fandomer, I thought of what wonders the future might bring. And I can honestly say I never ever expected that we'd be arguing over whether or not it's appropriation to photoshop specific types of flowers onto people's heads. Makes me wonder what the next few years will bring.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Re: first point, well, why museums? Why the fields of history and archaeology? Why any recording media, why journals or blogs? There's at the very least personal and scholarly value in a culture that's lasted long enough to be recognized as distinct, regardless of relative obscurity, imo.

[arcadiaego]

Usually because people have tried to destroy the culture in the past.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you kidding me? Ceremonial garbs and headdresses are one thing, especially the kind that were made from thousands of little red and yellow feathers that'd take months, even years, to gather enough.

But your standard plumeria and tuberose flower lei? We sell them at the airport for $3-4 each, we teach tourists how to make them, we wear them in fancy prom pictures. Pretty much the only "culture" related things we'll sort of snicker at is 1) the plastic ones because they are cheapo to the max and 2) in a formal setting women wear flower leis whereas men wear green leaf/kukui nut ones.

And don't get me started on graduations where we make hundreds of candy leis and slam fucking inflatable floaty rings around people's heads.

We are not delicate fairies who drop dead from heart attacks whenever we see someone wearing a lei with - gasp - natively Hawaiian or Polynesian flowers.

[(Anonymous)]

Um, I don't think anon was referring to the average plumeria, and wasn't saying that anything was being appropriated. They were saying that some flowers and designs do have meaning for information, not that they are here in this meme.

[(Anonymous)]

DA. I like you!

[chardmonster]

No, you have to understand. We, the white people, need to make sure your culture stays unchanging so you can teach us how to paint with all the colors of the wind.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never asked the grinning bobcat why he grins!

[(Anonymous)]

Heh. That's the internet for you: flaming right left and center for supposed politically correct reasons without stopping for thought, along with an unbelievably condescending attitude.

Have you noticed the exact same kind of automatic trolling that happens whenever the topic of race or gender appear on the horizon? Don't get me wrong, I am very sensitive to race and gender issues myself, but I really wish some people would get a grip on themselves before descending into hysteria. /rant

Back on topic, I just spent a few weeks in several Polynesian islands where I was given several lei and yes, taught how to make them, so I was nodding along as I read your comment about tourists!

[(Anonymous)]

What if I happen to just like Hibascus'? Especially since they're not exactly exclusive to Polynesian areas, either natively or introduced.

[(Anonymous)]

TOO BAD FOR YOU. THIS IS SJ BUSINESS. GO FIND ANOTHER FLOWER. May I suggest geraniums?

[kathkin]

Yup, I've been to an English May Day celebration where the May Queen and other participants wore flower crowns.