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What would it be appropriating?

Flower nymphs? I have no idea.

Eight-year-olds who used to make flower crowns out of daisies? IDEK, man.

I think OP said that because typically when people complain about a meme it's because of appropriation?

I'm guessing Polynesian cultures that have (or at least are represented as having) flower crowns as traditional garb things. I know very little about said cultures, so I have no clue what kind of significance the flower crowns might have, but that's the only thing I can come up with. I am puzzled.

Yes. Flowers and the wreaths have a great deal of significance. Each flower or leaf means something, as well as the wreath or lei they are made into.

Thank you for the info :) It looks quite interesting, I'll definitely look into it.

On the other hand, making decoration out of flowers isn't really specifically Polynesian (is that an ok term?) - though it would seem having strong symbolic meaning attached to it is. What I mean is that I don't really see how it's appropriative? Given that the idea is not to (mis)represent a specific culture, just something that many humans in many different cultures do.

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The Polynesians is one of several cultures from around the world that have had flower and plant based crowns. Another known one is the olive branch crowns that the Romans would wear. The Celts would wear flower crowns, the more like the ones in the photos, during May Day. (Roses, like the flowers in the pictures, aren't tropical. So, they wouldn't be Polynesian.)

Many cultural things overlap. For example, tattoos can be found in cultures across the planet from the Norse to the Aztecs to the Inu.

Laurel wreaths, not olive branches. Think Bay leaves that get put in cooking, then think of a crown made out of those (fresh leaves, not dried).

I'd love to have a Bay Laurel tree. I have this strong impression bay leaves are a nice glossy deep green when fresh.

Polynesians?

Flower crowns show up in European children's stories and games, but idk

Very stupid people might not be aware that Europeans have also worn flower crowns for centuries, if not millennia?

So you're saying it's appropriative of the Druids? Who have been dead for aaaaaaaages?

The Druids appropriated it from the Greeks, which is why the Vikings attacked the Celts in the first place: they thought it was problematic.

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Some flower wreaths are distinctively Polynesian because the leaves or the flowers are native only to Polysiean islands, but I can't recall which ones are. Each flower, leaf, or lei or wreath design has a meaning to it.

As Hawai'ians are very serious about preserving their dying culture, I would say their concern about those flowers and leaves particular to their culture (if any are being used in this meme) isn't a trivial thing.

Why?

Doesn't seem much value in preserving something for the sake of preserving it, and it's never a battle you're going to win.

Even setting that aside, I fail to see how another group making use of the aesthetics in any way hurts the original culture.

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Are you kidding me? Ceremonial garbs and headdresses are one thing, especially the kind that were made from thousands of little red and yellow feathers that'd take months, even years, to gather enough.

But your standard plumeria and tuberose flower lei? We sell them at the airport for $3-4 each, we teach tourists how to make them, we wear them in fancy prom pictures. Pretty much the only "culture" related things we'll sort of snicker at is 1) the plastic ones because they are cheapo to the max and 2) in a formal setting women wear flower leis whereas men wear green leaf/kukui nut ones.

And don't get me started on graduations where we make hundreds of candy leis and slam fucking inflatable floaty rings around people's heads.

We are not delicate fairies who drop dead from heart attacks whenever we see someone wearing a lei with - gasp - natively Hawaiian or Polynesian flowers.

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Yup, I've been to an English May Day celebration where the May Queen and other participants wore flower crowns.

Everything is appropriative on the Internet!!! But no, I have seen some idiots say this is appropriating various island cultures. Of course those are idiots who don't know that cultures all over the world have worn flower crowns.

>appropriation
>a real thing

Pick one.

Appropriation is absolutely a real thing. Tumblr kids just tend to be really bad at separating egregious examples from people who just like neat stuff.

There are people on tumblr arguing that white people aren't allowed to use hookahs, for examples.

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http://queenoftheemeraldisle.tumblr.com/post/55659389027/bon-cross-culturalappropriation-in-media

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yes good

I was wondering the same thing.

It's appropriative of Renaissance Festivals, obviously.