[ SECRET POST #2421 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2421 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I think it is in bad taste. And I am so sick of people defending it by saying that Del Toro named it after the motor engine of a British plane from the 1920s and had nooooooo idea of the slur gipsy.

So he knows about an obscure engine from the 20s but not a racial slur that has been used for at least a century?

[(Anonymous)]

What's "gipsy" then, I honestly have no idea. Is it a play on "gypsy"?

[(Anonymous)]

yes. that is what the motors were called.

[mekkio]

From what I've read, the designer was inspired by the Gypsy moth. Moth = flying = plane engine.

Yeah, it seems far fetch.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. The name of the plane line was already the moth. The engine was created to go INTO the moth.

[(Anonymous)]

What do you think the moth was named after?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm esl. I had no idea the word gipsy was a slur until last year, when I used it in an online chat and the person I was talking to got incredibly offended. I was like wut

[(Anonymous)]

I got told off in a forum once for using the word jipped, I was very surprised. I had no idea it had anything to do with a group of people, let alone the word gipsy. For my area it's just slang meaning I got ripped off. I can kinda see how it came from gipsy after some research into it, but somewhere along the way, in my area of the world at least, it's not connected because jipped is local slang and gipsy is...something you see in old movie and not in local slang.

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that you (and I, up until a couple of years ago) both thought it was spelled "jipped" instead of "gypped" really shows that a lot of people have absolutely no awareness of the etymology of the word or the fact that it plays on an offensive stereotype about an ethnic group, and that it's very easy to use without any sort of knowledge of the offense it may rightly cause.

[thezmage]

http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2012/5/24/how-to-fight-casual-racism.html

Most "I got ripped off" phrases are racist.

[(Anonymous)]

I always thought it was 'jibbed' based on local pronunciation, thought it was some reference to sailing. I still use it with friends, but I'll be careful using it with strangers, and fair enough too.

[kallanda_lee]

Nah, nor did I. It's especially confusing because in some other languages the equivalent of gypsy is still used more often than Roma, so with de Toro being Mexican, I actually believe he didn't know.

[(Anonymous)]

A racial slur that's only a slur in certain regions of the world, isn't used as much as it was and tends to be used in certain circles, so yes it's entirely possibly for a person to never hear it as a slur and to know it's a motor engine because all the Jaeger's are inspired by various historical planes.

Also, the creators have apologised, explained they didn't know it was a slur and that they will do there best not to do it again in the future. It's not some secret, racist conspiracy. It's a word used to mean lots of things the world over that also happens to be shared with a slur. That they've apologised for and won't do again.

Fuck the only time I have even heard of the word gipsy was a) horses and b) that one disney movie so vaguely aware it was for people but not that it was a slur. Why? Because like the goddamn movie I am not based in Europe or the SJW-wing of America and therefore have not run across it.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not a defense, nonnie, that's a statement of fact. (That there was such a plane, I got no dog in the hunt re: Pacific Rim.) If you want to go out of your way to find something to be butthurt about, you go ahead and do that, but you're only making yourself and your kind look 100X MORE oppressive than the oppression you CLAIM is happening, and that you CLAIM you're "fighting" against FOR people who are, I add, perfectly capable of standing up for ourselves.

[(Anonymous)]

"So he knows about an obscure engine from the 20s but not a racial slur that has been used for at least a century?"

This is in no way unbelievable. People geek out over stuff like that, it's something that falls under stuff that anyone under a creative umbrella would research and use for inspiration. The fact that "gypsy" is a slur at all is nowhere near common knowledge, and its use is so common that nobody would think twice unless told otherwise. It's obviously not a good thing that this is the case but it is.

[(Anonymous)]

Really not that obscure; I've heard of the Gipsy Moth airplane (and, for that matter, the Gypsy Moth moth) and heard a lot more people talking about that than its use as a slur.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't know gipsy (and other words like gipped) was a slur until tumblr.

So it's not that unbelievable, really.

[(Anonymous)]

um maybe he honestly wanted to name it after this motor? i'm not defending him but i think fandom can be hypersensitive sometimes and it's really tiring. yes, it's an unfortunate name but it sounds like he had a reason.

(i understand what it's like to hear slurs every day, that's my life but i also can put on my big girl panties if something else has the same/similar name.)

[(Anonymous)]

Is it really that hard to believe that most people don't spend time keeping up to date with what they should be angry about on the internet? REALLY?

It's fine if you don't think he's reacted appropriately, but you sound really out of touch with the real world. I had no idea it was a slur until I saw it in SJ spaces last year.

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU.

[(Anonymous)]

Part of the fun of being an internet SJW is that you can be angry at people you've never spoken with for not having read your latest tweet about which things make you personally uncomfortable. I seriously wish that were a made-up example, but I've observed it.

It's like the Everybody Reads My Livejournal delusion cranked up until the knobs snap off.

[(Anonymous)]

I think given how ridiculously common the word was (Disney cartoons, for pete's sake), it's pretty reasonable to assume that someone might know about plane engines, but not know that the word is considered a slur.

Del Toro didn't name it. Travis Beacham did. And he apologized.

I'm getting a little sick of people being outraged. Disappointed or annoyed, I could understand, but this level of "HOW DARE YOU I'M NEVER SEEING THIS MOVIE BECAUSE OF THAT SLUR" that I keep seeing pop up from SJW is getting a bit much. Is it a slur? Yes. Isn't it nice to know that? You know who doesn't know that word is considered to be rude? Probably about 90% of the American population. We just don't have a history with it. Most people on the street probably wouldn't have the slightest idea what you were talking about if you said "Romany."

Well, maybe a few more, now that there was a House episode and all.

[(Anonymous)]

and when you consider over 70% of the box office is FOREIGN (not including europe here, they're like...5% of the foreign box office), the majority of the viewers are not going to know this. I only know because the #pacific rim tag exploded with overly outraged white people who just used it as a jumping point for complaining.

God don't even get me started on Slattern. An in movie character is sexist, he couldn't name it Bitch so he named it Slattern. But oh no tumblr cries, it's a ~bad word~, you can't use an ~old bad word~

[(Anonymous)]

except the slur is gypsy, not gipsy. Gipsy is the engine.

[(Anonymous)]

The engine was named after a moth which was named after the Romani.

The spelling got altered along the way, but the origin didn't somehow magically vanish.