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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-08-19 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #2421 ]


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(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] morieris 2013-08-19 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen one single person do this.

Everyone else is just thrilled over the film. Huh.

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The writer apologising

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(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Heeeeeere we go.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, what can you do, I guess.

I didn't like that but I still enjoyed the film overall. I don't know. I wish they'd named it something else. There's nothing you can say except that it's a shitty slur and they shouldn't have done it. I don't know where you really go from there.
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2013-08-19 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen this criticized at least once, and I'm not really in the fandom, so you're not alone.

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This again? 0/10 OP this meme is riper than blue cheese.

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"a fucking long while"?

It came out last month.

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[personal profile] queerwolf 2013-08-19 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I noticed it, was surprised they named it that, but was still able to enjoy the hell out of the movie.

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I don't understand it, I guess. Does that make me a bad person? (Also, I haven't seen the movie.)

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(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I think it is in bad taste. And I am so sick of people defending it by saying that Del Toro named it after the motor engine of a British plane from the 1920s and had nooooooo idea of the slur gipsy.

So he knows about an obscure engine from the 20s but not a racial slur that has been used for at least a century?

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[personal profile] deadtree 2013-08-19 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen a lot of people talking about it, actually.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2013-08-19 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
That's so funny. I JUST saw the movie today and I KNEW someone would totally be bitching about it.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
(Reposting because I accidentally replied to the wrong thing)
I'm not even in the fandom, and I saw a lot of talk about this on tumblr (and a lot of yelling about "ZOMG WW2 HISTORY SO IT'S NOT RACIST" which is, um.) because Pacific Rim is fucking everywhere.

But I think one of the creators even replied to these concerns in a non-terrible way, and that's where the wank died?
(Unless I'm confusing this with another fandom.)

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(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, it's a weird story, apparently. Gipsy Danger was named after an aircraft engine (something with a military plane, I forget), which in the world of Pacific Rim makes sense. Someone named it after their favourite plane without thinking about how the original got its name. When the original came about, there was a lot of romanticism going on with Romani and traveler types. (Kind of like the brief French rage where everyone was naming their girls things like Brigitte and Claudette, etc.)

For a lot of people, in my experience, they don't associate "gypsy" with real people anymore because of all that same romanticism, and aren't actually trying to be racist weirdos when they say "gypped". They just think of Hunchback of Notre Dame, which, if you're going to ask me what offended me more, I wrote a paper in college about the mindless racism in that movie. It was a long paper. It quickly descended into ranting, not going to lie.

My cousin is actually pretty psyched over the name, oddly enough. At least someone is using the word in a positive way, for once, in his mind.

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[personal profile] mekkio 2013-08-19 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Except it wasn't named after this;

Gypsies;



But this;


The De Havilland-Gipsy Engine. A British Airplane Engine


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(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
...isn't the slur 'gypsy' though? What's wrong with using 'Gipsy', a name for a part of a GIANT MACHINE, as part of a name for a GIANT MACHINE in the movie? Yeah, they're close, but I don't get why del Toro would purposely use the slur version for the Jaeger anyway...

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(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Everyone on the internet has talked about it, where have you been?

http://travisbeacham.tumblr.com/post/58211367219/hi-i-know-a-lot-of-people-are-concerned-about-the-name

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4/10

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If this is the same one as #5, you are getting better. Keep at it.

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(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
... Kind of OT, but did Shakira ever got shit because of her song? I read this secret and thought about that.

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[personal profile] riddian 2013-08-19 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
You haven't been on Tumblr then.

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Since when is gypsy a slur?

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There are some gypsies who actually refer to themselves as such

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(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I've definitely seen people talk about it on tumblr...
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[personal profile] truxillogical 2013-08-19 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, there's the fact that a lot of people don't even know that "gypsy" is considered offensive. It's still pretty much a commonly used word, especially in America, where there isn't as much of a history with the Romany culture.

There's the fact that, mm, yeah, no, it has been discussed, fairly often, in plenty of places.

There's the fact that the writer, when it was brought to his attention, very sincerely apologized because, like a lot of folks, he had no idea that it was considered a slur, and intended to name the Jaeger after an old airplane engine (which in turn, I think, was named after a moth). He didn't try to defend or excuse his choice--he was sincerely sorry that he'd unknowingly used a word that people consider offensive to name one of the major components of the movie.

But...y'know, outrage works too.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-19 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
gypsy =/= gipsy

but I guess someone just needs something to twist their panties in a knot.

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I'm not sure it IS a slur...

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