[ SECRET POST #2442 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2442 ⌋

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Comments

[thene]

bisexuals are erasing their own "work" by adhering stubbornly to an outdated and apparently misleading label.

No dude, not abandoning my sexual identifier because some other people decided I was 'outdated'.

[saku]

then don't act surprised when people assume that you, like many bisexual-identifying people, are phobic of, or disinterested in, people who fall outside of the gender binary. i also hope you aren't one of those people who think pansexuality is an unnecessary term, particularly given your response to the suggestion that you reconsider your own identifier.

[thene]

Assuming that bisexual people - not straight people, not gay people, just bi people - are transphobic, solely on account of our identity, not based on any evidence or behaviour, is biphobic. Why would I change my identifier in response to biphobia? The biphobia isn't going to go away just because I use a different word.

[(Anonymous)]

WOW NO

Not being attracted to trans people is not the same as being transphobic. You sound like that crazy guy who thinks gay men are misogynistic because they are not sexually attracted to women

[thene]

Anon, I was responding to the above comment:

"don't act surprised when people assume that you, like many bisexual-identifying people, are phobic of [trans* people]"

I agree that not being attracted to trans* people is not the same as being transphobic! Which is one of many reasons this argument skeeves me out. Though personally, I'm not fussy.

[(Anonymous)]

"people assume that you, like many bisexual-identifying people, are phobic of, or disinterested in,"

[saku]

not all transgender people fall outside the gender binary, that's why i didn't specify in my reply. you don't need to add it in for me because it's wrong to do so and honestly kind of transphobic. transgender people are not inherently nonbinary.

[thene]

I don't understand your response/I'm not sure what you're responding to here. Care to clarify? I don't need to add what in for you?

[saku]

when i was talking about phobia you specified transphobia when i didn't mean transphobia in particular. some transgender people do fall under the binary, like i said, so it's not the same thing.

I AM ATTRACTED TO THE DARKNESS IN-BETWEEN ALL LEGS

[chardmonster]

I AM ATTRACTED TO THE DARKNESS IN-BETWEEN ALL LEGS

:D

[insanenoodlyguy]

You can not believe how glad I am that my randomly posted thing is now being used in serious conversation.

[saku]

straight people and gay people are phobic of nonbinary people though, primarily for the same reasons bisexual people tend to be phobic of nonbinary people as well. it's all in whether or not you agree with the gender binary system. if you do, then you suck. if you don't, then there's no need to have this conversation. i don't think bisexual people are inherently phobic of those who fall outside the gender binary. i do, however, think a lot of them are.

[thene]

But going at this discussion the other way, nonbinary people don't solely date pan-identified people imx? I just meet people who date people.

I don't agree with the 'gender binary system', although obv most of the people I meet from day to day are strangely obsessed with it. I am really not down with seeing bi-identified people singled out in this regard though, and that's what much of this thread is about; singling out a sexual minority for interrogation of their beliefs and desires (often while ignoring & erasing their actual lives, words and history).

[saku]

i'm only talking about bisexual people and their relation to the gender binary because bisexuality came up as an appropriate replacement of pansexual identities and i disagree with that. i didn't mean to imply that bisexual people are the only ones who do this since that's not the case at all and in all honesty i see more bisexual people who consider those outside the binary system than i see from any other minority group (but this is all from my own personal experience).

[(Anonymous)]

Saku, I'm assuming you yourself are outside the gender binary system. Perhaps even deliberately, painstakingly so.

Are you sure you just aren't dealing with people who don't want to put up with your bullshit?

[saku]

are you implying i'm trying to be a minority to make a point?

if people don't want to "put up with" my "bullshit" then they don't have to engage me at all.

[thene]

But you seem to be making a similar argument in reverse - that bisexual people should 'reconsider our identifier', are 'adhering stubbornly' to our identity, which implies that you think we should regard embracing pansexuality as an appropriate replacement for our identities?

[(Anonymous)]

Don't then. What everyone else is telling you is that other people are going to assume certain things about you when you use the identifier. Many people who identify using the same word, are not going to mean the same thing as you when they use it.

This is because the generally accepted definition of bisexual has changed over the years, as all language does.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Don't then. What everyone else is telling you is that other people are going to assume certain things about you when you use the identifier.

Yes, and most of them are ignorant and/or bigots.

[thene]

I don't know about you but that's never even happened to me irl? Well, people DO assume things about me because I'm bisexual - my own mother-in-law assumed I must be non-monogamous - but they don't assume that I'm transphobic. I've only seen that variety of biphobia on the internet thus far.

[(Anonymous)]

Many, many more people would probably ask if they knew trans* people were a thing. The reason a whole lot of them don't ask is because they assume you're talking only about cis people.

[thene]

I don't think many people in the Western world are unaware that trans* people are a thing. I mean, Chaz Bono has been all over TV. Who out there doesn't know that trans* people exist?

[(Anonymous)]

...............................................................wow

bye

NO, YOU MUST

[chardmonster]

YOU MUST

Futuresex

http://culturevisuelle.org/corazonada/files/2010/05/1futuresex3.jpg

Re: NO, YOU MUST

[thene]

oh wow, if I could get a hold of one of those hand-bra-things i might even start wearing bras