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I never understood the purpose of slapping those two together. It just seems so random, especially for Spock, who strikes me as the absolute last person who'd date a coworker. I'd understand more if they put Uhura and Kirk together or had them doing the sexual tension game - I mean, I wouldn't like it, but main male character/main female character would at least make sense.

As I've heard (and I'm not saying it's 100% truth, just what I've heard), Roddenberry wanted the two together in the original but couldn't because of the times. There are a few scenes of Uhura blatantly flirting with Spock. So putting them together in the movies is a homage to that (if it's true).

Ah, I didn't know that! Seems a lot less random now, thanks.

DA

That S/U rumor has been argued over for a while--it was never proven and is mostly circulated by S/U fans, so pay it no mind. /shipping is serious business

I hate to be that person but no, the rumor is not circulated by the S/U fans but Nichelle Nichols herself.

here:
"I decided then from the character that I read [Spock] that I wanted to be very much like that character but in a feminine way. And Gene said, and I was sharing this with George the other day, when I told him that I thought of Spock as my mentor. Because if you remember Uhura was the only one he was able to teach the Vulcan lyre too and he sang and spooffed on Spock. Now, you could have never had a love scene in 63 between Uhura and Spock but there were several hints and [back to Roddenberry] Gene was one in the kind of beginning to follow that and he wanted to do episodes if we had gone past the third year" - Nichelle Nichols

the K/S kiss was supposed to be between S/U originally but Shatner changed it: http://www.themarysue.com/uhura-spock-kirk-kiss/

my bro who is a long time fan also remember that TPDB had said the same thing (what Nichelle said above) years ago that's why he wasn't that surprised by the pair in the reboot.

well there was that one scene in.. pilot, i think? where Uhura sings and Spock plays lute and smiles at her. guess what, Roddenburry decided to cut both on smiles and on interaction with Uhura. doubt that it was because "they couldn`t be together".

Ah, no, Roddenberry wanted actually K/S together, not S/U.

Oh, please. I hope this is sarcasm. Roddenberry fell over himself to squash K/S shippers, because he was a good ol' boy homophobe (and sexist, thought women were decorative mattresses)

what. are you even for real.

Roddenberry commented on love between Kirk and Spock that:
Yes, there's certainly some of that -- certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal-- we never suggested in the series-- physical love between the two. But it's the-- we certainly had the feeling that the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century.

(c) wiki

Homophobe? Roddenberry was one of the people who tried to get gay romances to happen in the later movies because he thought the future would have no prejudice against gender. But then he died and (according to some of the producers and actors - Nimoy included) gay romances were put on the backburner because the homophobic networks put a stop to it.

He was a homophobe (he even said it, you know, and it's not the kind of things that people can easily forget. At least I don't sorry) but said he changed his mind about "it". It was the 90s, TOS was made in the 60s make your math.
I will never buy the idea that he would have put Kirk and Spock together in HIS show (original point of the thread) because at the time he was a homophobe, it doesn't matter he became more open minded many many years later and wanted to introduce new gay characters in the franchise of late (TNG&co). He was even quoted saying he wanted Spock to get married in the end, if the show went past the third season [[later Picard said he met Sarek at his son wedding and many speculate it could be no one but Spock since Sarek's only son was him - and Sybok died in STV - (apocrypha: Spock did marry a woman in the novels too)]]
I think that some people mistake his choice of late to be more accepting and open minded with the slash fans (especially compared to TPTB handled it in the 70s) as him stating that he shipped K/S or made it canon. He was quoted saying that it was never their intention to imply more than friendship between those characters but this is the part that people strangely dismiss as not relevant when they post his comments...

Do you realize that Roddenberry was homophobic? (he admitted it himself, he was sexist too but that's another topic)

I think I would have liked Kirk/Uhura better than Spock/Uhura. But then, part of that is that I just really don't care for Quinto's Spock that much. :(

I think reboot S/U is nice; weirdly, I liked it a lot more in ID than ST XI. I still prefer Kirk/Uhura - they have better chemistry, IMO - but I think it would translate very poorly on screen, if they'd become an actual couple.

I hear you about ZQ's Spock. I think he did a decent job in the first movie, but in the second he was either forgettable or just plain bad. The writing was also to blame, but I think he fizzled out in the last 30 minute.

I like Kirk/Uhura as siblings and friends but a romantic relationship between them would have no appeal for me and I suspect they have no appeal for the writers either. Spock is the alien and he's not the typical hero getting the girl, it's way more a challenge to write him in a romantic relationship than write one for the least character you expect to NOT have a relationship there..
Kirk/Carol is pretty much a given right now.

...Honestly, what kind of bugged me about it was that they were taking the stance of "WE'RE STARTING FORM X POINT IN TIMELINE"...and then did that. Which...well, bugs me because Spock was technically married thus *should* be in whatever passes for grief/uncertainty about her death with Vulcans [and the whole "just lost his planet" thing] so...Yeah. Kinda bugged me how quickly that happened.

...And it didn't help that TOS had Vulcans pretty damn uninterested in sex/sexual relationships. >>;;

[I know, I know "BUT THAT'S TOS!" It just bugs me that they didn't even follow the guidelines they set up for themselves...but Well. That's a *whole* different thing.]

Oh yeah, the thing about Spock being married/betrothed if according to TOS timeline at the time of ST 2009 bugged me too.
They addressed it in the comics (which are consedered canon as well for the reboot) with the girl being alive and Spock's pon farr happening and gave an explanation from Spock that he "absolved her from any obligation to him" when he left Vulcan to the Academy and thought that was end of story.
I'm not sure if I find it all plausible myself, but that's how it is.

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