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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, grow up and get over it.

If can stop writing over something so silly you were never a writer to begin with. Writers can't stop writing even if want to. Stories are always popping in their heads.

[(Anonymous)]

But they can always stop writing them down, stop making an effort to improve, or stop publishing them...

[(Anonymous)]

And it's no one's fault but their own if they decide to do that.

[(Anonymous)]

because writing is all about getting published. oh you people, give me a break.

If you insult cassandra clare's for getting her (shitty) books published but then see as an ultimate objective of writing getting published, you should be worshipping and taking notes from clare because she's used a perfect formula to get published. (she basically picked up the trends from the last 10/20 years, joined some tropes, some pop culture references, then glue it all up with pretentious writing, and BANG! best seller)

Getting published is about what sells, what people want to read, what entertains people. It isn't about good writing and it hasn't been for a long time now. And it makes sense because the industry of books is now an entertainment industry and entertainment industry adapts to the consumer's tastes.

If you want to really write (apart from the entertainment aspect - which is not a bad reason to write though, if you want to entertain people, great for you! but if that's what you want, why hating on CC? She may be a shitty person, but her books are entertaining to a great amount of people ... isn't that what you aspire?), you won't give two fucks if it gets published or not because it doesn't matter if you get money out of it.

There are other ways to make your work be seen, appreciated, and to disseminate your ideas (because that's basically what "writing" was and, in a more strict interpretation, is about) without getting it published and making money out of it. And even if it isn't appreciated: well a) probably you aren't as good as you think - IMPROVE b) probably you are good (there's always room for improvement though) but maybe your work will only be recognised in 100 years, who knows c) but ultimately, who the hell cares? are you writing to get a golden star in your forehead, is that why you write? If it is, than you're probably writing for others, and again, if that's your purpose, write something you know other people will like (like Clare).

Stop whining. If you're not writing for yourself in a first instance, it's your damn fault you gave up writing or stopped improving. Don't try to justify your lack of drive by shoving the fault onto others. If all the great artists and writers in the past had been only the ones who'd had recognition on their lifetimes, literature would be shitty.

If you're giving up writing, guess what, writing is not going to miss you either and this is the bold truth.

[(Anonymous)]

David Wellington springs to mind. Wrote and posted books for free on internet, then got publishing deal after it got popular and started selling hard/e-copies.

[(Anonymous)]

Best. Reply. Ever.

[(Anonymous)]

"If all the great artists and writers in the past had been only the ones who'd had recognition on their lifetimes, literature would be shitty."

...but that's how it works? Shakespear is so classic and awesome today, because in his time he was a celebrity. Same goes for all the greatest literature of all times, they were all best sellers in their days.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree about growing up and getting over it, because I'm petty like that, but I do kind of agree. I have thought about throwing in the towel, but then I write 5k in a week, and I'm doomed all over again.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed

OP is probably one of those people who talk all the time about writing but never do any, are more into the fantasy of being A Writer than they are into doing the boring old work. Sort of like Lady Catherine de Bourgh from Pride and Prejudice, who would have been a great pianist if only she had ever bothered to learn.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see that. Although . . . among the people I've met who only wanted to write because of some fantasy of being A Writer were some of the most prolific writers I've come across.

It's just that they were prolific but horrible.

I suspect that there are a lot of people who really aren't writers who actually do produce a lot specifically because they don't have any kind of internal quality-control.

None of them could take criticism or improve, though.

[misty_anon]

It's amazing how much shit a non-writer can churn out.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's either the one or the other. Either they can't stop, or their "writing" is restricted to sitting in cafes and playing minesweeper. And maybe rewriting the same scene over and over again, like Joe Gould.

[starphotographs]

I'll add to this that "real" writers can tend to be self-critical ragequitters who never finish a damn thing

The output of both groups can surprise you, basically. :P

[mechanosapience]

I met someone like this through National Novel Writing Month events in my area. She would hit 50k halfway through the month. Anyway, we were both part of a social group that tried to get together during the rest of the year for editing and critiquing each other's work. It was only then that I realized what dreck she was churning out. It was painful. Not only was she a terrible writer, but she refused to accept that her work was anything other than a perfectly polished jewel.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep.

[thene]

Not all writers work the same way, you know?

You are wrong

[(Anonymous)]

No. I hate this whole "if you really love doing something/have talent you do it no matter where you are and can't stop" philosophy. It's just dumb. Sometimes you are a writer and something gets in your way and you stop writing. It happens.

Sometimes even you fall out of love with writing for awhile. It doesn't make you any less of a writer. It makes you human.

[(Anonymous)]

NO.

There's not one perfect ideal way to be a writer, and the idea that someone's not a real writer if they're not constantly inspired or constantly writing is really discouraging for people who are struggling with their writing, whether it's the difficulties of the actual act of writing or the difficulties of being published or something else. People get writer's block. People lose their inspiration. People get discouraged for what others see as 'silly' reasons. That doesn't mean they aren't writers.

[(Anonymous)]

Writers write. If you are not writing, because you've given up out of what is basically envy and spite, then no, you are not a writer.

[(Anonymous)]

Still no. Do you think there's no published writers out there who have ever gone through a period where they got so discouraged they gave up on writing? And does doing so somehow invalidate any writing they've done before? All this 'you're not a writer' stuff is seriously such a shit thing to tell someone, especially while they're feeling discouraged. How tremendously unhelpful. Writers are not some special club of magical creatures who never hit roadblocks, and to jump on someone for feeling like giving up when that happens, whether you think their reasons are petty or not, and tell them that they're not really a writer is ridiculous. That accomplishes nothing except discouraging them further.

[thene]

It's very one-size-fits-all, too. The reality is that writing is a rag-bag of different talents and motivations that produces a huge variety of work. I really hate when people act as if all real writers spend all their lives writing full-length imaginative novels and all the poetry, comedy, short stories, plays, erotica, journalism, academic work and nonfiction around us just appeared by fucking magic.

[(Anonymous)]

Hilariously, I am a short story writer. I've had more than one (bestselling!) novelist tell me that they envy my ability to write "short," while I stare at them in befuddlement from my tiny stack of semi-pro sales.

[(Anonymous)]

Please stop confusing storytellers with writers. I know lots of people that claim to be ~writers~ and that writing is in their blood blah blah. And they're all shitty storytellers.

I'm not interested to read their writings, I want stories TYVM.

[(Anonymous)]

You're probably a fan of the person the OP dislikes.

+Infinity

[(Anonymous)]

Yes!

I am probably never going to publish anything because I put too much of my heart into my stories to entrust them to the general public, but I will be writing as long as I am physically capable of it.

Regardless of what anyone else does or says.