[ SECRET POST #2469 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2469 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

In today's world I wouldn't consider a name to be an indicator of race.

[lynx]

0/10 *yawns*

(For the record, someone actually asked this to the creators and they said -a bit baffled- "Well, we thought it was obvious?". IRL, of course a name indicates nothing, but in fiction, authors usually pay a lot of attention to that kind of stuff. And you ain't naming a character Carlos/Hanamichi/Mustafa if you don't plan to make said character at least of mixed race.)

Source?

[insanenoodlyguy]

Honestly just curious. Do you have an actual source on this?

Re: Source?

[lynx]

I had it :CCC But I read it at least a couple of weeks ago, so I can't even remember where I saw it. It's a pity because now I'll be wondering if it's from a legit source or if it was someone making shit up and that REALLY sucks. Gah.

Please spare me from scouring my internet history, I visit hundreds of webpages everyday ;;

Re: Source?

[insanenoodlyguy]

sorry. I assume you're telling the truth but somebody (me included) always wants a source so it'd be nice to give one if I ever have to argue this myself and would rather just link and be done.

Re: Source?

[lynx]

Sorry, and thanks for believing me :( This bothers me a lot precisely for that same reason. I wish I could find it again but my memory has always been worse than Swiss cheese, and I've been looking at my history and still no dice.

Re: Source?

[(Anonymous)]

It's okay, your point still stands about names in fiction. It's a good point. Whether the writers came out and said it or not doesn't matter, it's obvious they wanted to give a certain impression based on the name. If they didn't, they were either trying to make a very un-obvious point about race and names, or they were just lazy.

Re: Source?

[lynx]

Thanks! Maybe it's because I'm a wannabe-author as well, but the thing about names in fiction is... they don't work like names do in Real Life. There's always a reason when a (good) author chooses a name for a character; and if they had wanted to make Carlos's race unclear or even default-to-white, they would have gone for something more "neutral" (from a US standpoint) than a typical Hispanic/Latino name.

Hell, if we go by World History, he could even be from Filipino descent. But that makes him still a POC!

On top of that

[chardmonster]

I've never met a white Carlos. There are black Carloses (Carlosi?) but they tend to have a Spanish or Portuguese-speaking background.

Then again there's plenty of fanfiction where blond haired blue eyed American teenagers are named Sakura so who knows maybe they just thought the writers were shitty

Re: On top of that

[lynx]

I've never met a Caucasian Carlos either. Plenty of White!Hispanic!Carloses. (Bear with me, it's a prickly issue for us Latinos, that's why I made the distinction between Hispanic and Latino on the original comment I made).

On the other hand, I've met loads of Latino guys named "Jonathan" (often spelled Yonatan, Jonatan, Johnatthan, and variations of such), but it's usually because of people of low social status who want to name their kids a "cool" name. I guess it's because that kind of people see a "white" name as an upgrade, while most white people wouldn't name their kids something ethnic.

Back to fiction, I've never seen someone older than 16 doing the American!blonde!blue-eyed!Sakura thing; and I really doubt a professional writer would do something like that for no good reason, and/or without explaining it in the plot somewhere, even as a mention if it's not plot-important.

Re: On top of that

[(Anonymous)]

...do you have census data to back up your naming generalizations? Because there are a lot of assertions in there that run contrary to my own experiences.

Re: On top of that

[lynx]

Do I need a census? The assertions here run along my own experiences, from the first sentence to the last one, and specially including the part about "lower-class Latinos giving their kids Caucasian names". It's a sociological phenomenum here in Chile.

Re: On top of that

[(Anonymous)]

A - You weren't that specific in the original comment. There was literally no way for a reader to know that you were specifically discussing Latinos after the first paragraph.

B - Different parts of the world, different strokes then.

Re: On top of that

[chardmonster]

Lighten up, Francis*


*Francis is a relatively neutral name used to denote people who should remove sticks from their asses

Re: On top of that

[(Anonymous)]

So... because you've never seen it, it doesn't exist?

Re: On top of that

[(Anonymous)]

http://media.heavy.com/media/2013/08/juan1.png

This guy's name is Juan Pablo. He's Venezuelan. Yeah it's not Carlos, but I don't doubt they exist. A quick Google glance gives you a wide variety of Carloses.

Re: On top of that

[chardmonster]

He's Venezuelan

Re: On top of that

[(Anonymous)]

Are you saying he's not Latino? Cause he and The Bachelor sure as hell think he is.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Depends on the author, tbh. I've known [published] authors who picked a name simply because they thought it stsounded good, not because of anything to really do with the character. So counting on people to pick up on something like that, unless explicitly stated in the actual series is a bit silly on the creator's part, imo.

And pulling in the dark thing doesn't really clear things up either, since "dark" can cover so much.

Note: Not arguing that he's poc - personally, I don't generally picture characters anyways...and I kind of really like the headcanon he's the Carlos from Magic School Bus. Just pointing out that expecting a name and a one word description to make things obvious is really, pretty silly - particularly for a series set in a country where you can have someone whose black named Heidi Rodriquez. [And yes - that's really someone I knew school.]