[ SECRET POST #2469 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2469 ⌋

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Comments

[lynx]

Oh god this wank /)_- *just goes to headwall* Let's see the actual canon evidence, yea?

- Carlos is either Hispanic or Latino (SERIOUSLY, THE NAME SHOULD GIVE THAT PART AWAY AT LEAST) with dark hair and some grey at the temples. There's a quote about him being "dark" that could be interpreted as, his skin is dark too. HE'S A CANON POC. No discussion here.

- What we know about Cecil is that he's "not thin, nor thick; and not tall nor short"; and we know it (if I'm not mistaken) because that's the way Steve was described and Steve is Cecil's "broken mirror". EVERYTHING ELSE IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. IT'S NOT A SIN TO MAKE HIM WHITE IF YOU WANT HIM TO BE WHITE. (Nor is a sin to make him a POC either!). The thing is, the creators made the character ambiguous on purpose, and except for the previous, minimal description (which lands him in "average height/weight"), anything goes and nothing is more canon than the others.

Dude, I'm all about for POC representation, I'm Latina myself, but this is the silliest fight in the history of ever and it's getting so bloody it's amazing or horrifying, and TOTALLY NOT THE POINT of the podcast.

For the record, I have two favorite headcanons: A human Cecil with a metaphorical third eye (NOT an Eldritch!Abomination flesh-and-blood third eye), that yes, is white, but that's because I like visual contrasts and Carlos is Hispanic/Latino already. And the other is that Cecil is truly the Voice of Night Vale who looks like... whatever you want him/expect him to look like - which means that when he's alone, he looks like nothing.

That doesn't mean I'm going to burn the house of anyone with a different headcanon. And don't get me started on the Trans!Carlos thing, where did that even came from? O.o I get that some people want trans* representation, but that's a headcanon, not Word of God and most of that people react really badly if you don't agree with them.

TL;DR: Why can't we all get along ;;

[kaijinscendre]

Kevin (from The Sandstorm 1&2) described Cecil. Presumably Kevin and Cecil are eachother's double. Though, it does seem odd that Cecil (or Kevin) would have a picture of himself on his desk.

[lynx]

Hm, you're right about that one, sorry about the mixed synapses! It's Kevin, not Steve, sorry.

And I wouldn't find odd Cecil and Kevin keep pictures of each other at their desks... *redirects you to the concept of "Kismesis" from Homestuck* XD

[kaijinscendre]

Well, not each other. Of themselves. It'd be like you keeping a picture of just YOU on your desk. Who does that? It is so if you get amnesia at work you can know the desk is yours?

[vethica]

Could be an Employee of the Month-type picture? He's probably the only one at that radio station who tends to survive more than a month anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

I loved a headcanon I heard that said Cecil isn't human but wants to appear human, so he has a picture of the appearance he chose for himself on his desk so he doesn't forget what he's supposed to look like. It's not a headcanon I share - i still believe the writers didn't think very hard about it - but I found it cute.

[lynx]

I'm fond of Human Cecil, myself (no tentacles, etc), but that IS a cute headcanon :3 I'd be willing to read a fic based on that.

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't consider it odd if it's an event picture, like "the time I won that thing" or "me with the giant sandwich at last year's company picnic." I do, however, also really like the theories I've seen that they're A) mirrors or B) pictures of Carlos and Kevin's equivalent of him.

[kaijinscendre]

D: MIRRORS! NEW HEADCANON!

[starphotographs]

...Okay, let's just all take a moment to appreciate the image of Cecil (however the heck you think he looks) and his giant sandwich. XD

[(Anonymous)]

I really have no idea why that was the first "reason you might take a photo" to come into my mind, but there it is.

[(Anonymous)]

In today's world I wouldn't consider a name to be an indicator of race.

[lynx]

0/10 *yawns*

(For the record, someone actually asked this to the creators and they said -a bit baffled- "Well, we thought it was obvious?". IRL, of course a name indicates nothing, but in fiction, authors usually pay a lot of attention to that kind of stuff. And you ain't naming a character Carlos/Hanamichi/Mustafa if you don't plan to make said character at least of mixed race.)

Source?

[insanenoodlyguy]

Honestly just curious. Do you have an actual source on this?

Re: Source?

[lynx]

I had it :CCC But I read it at least a couple of weeks ago, so I can't even remember where I saw it. It's a pity because now I'll be wondering if it's from a legit source or if it was someone making shit up and that REALLY sucks. Gah.

Please spare me from scouring my internet history, I visit hundreds of webpages everyday ;;

On top of that

[chardmonster]

I've never met a white Carlos. There are black Carloses (Carlosi?) but they tend to have a Spanish or Portuguese-speaking background.

Then again there's plenty of fanfiction where blond haired blue eyed American teenagers are named Sakura so who knows maybe they just thought the writers were shitty

Re: On top of that

[lynx]

I've never met a Caucasian Carlos either. Plenty of White!Hispanic!Carloses. (Bear with me, it's a prickly issue for us Latinos, that's why I made the distinction between Hispanic and Latino on the original comment I made).

On the other hand, I've met loads of Latino guys named "Jonathan" (often spelled Yonatan, Jonatan, Johnatthan, and variations of such), but it's usually because of people of low social status who want to name their kids a "cool" name. I guess it's because that kind of people see a "white" name as an upgrade, while most white people wouldn't name their kids something ethnic.

Back to fiction, I've never seen someone older than 16 doing the American!blonde!blue-eyed!Sakura thing; and I really doubt a professional writer would do something like that for no good reason, and/or without explaining it in the plot somewhere, even as a mention if it's not plot-important.

Re: On top of that

[(Anonymous)]

So... because you've never seen it, it doesn't exist?

Re: On top of that

[(Anonymous)]

http://media.heavy.com/media/2013/08/juan1.png

This guy's name is Juan Pablo. He's Venezuelan. Yeah it's not Carlos, but I don't doubt they exist. A quick Google glance gives you a wide variety of Carloses.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Depends on the author, tbh. I've known [published] authors who picked a name simply because they thought it stsounded good, not because of anything to really do with the character. So counting on people to pick up on something like that, unless explicitly stated in the actual series is a bit silly on the creator's part, imo.

And pulling in the dark thing doesn't really clear things up either, since "dark" can cover so much.

Note: Not arguing that he's poc - personally, I don't generally picture characters anyways...and I kind of really like the headcanon he's the Carlos from Magic School Bus. Just pointing out that expecting a name and a one word description to make things obvious is really, pretty silly - particularly for a series set in a country where you can have someone whose black named Heidi Rodriquez. [And yes - that's really someone I knew school.]

[forgottenjester]

We can't get along because someone made a wish in a reverse wishing well. It was stupid and clearly marked but you know how people don't read the signs.

To be serious, the reason the fandom can't get along is because people are people.

[lynx]

Yeah, but I had no idea it could reach this levels of bloodshed. To be honest, the last time I saw something like this was when Hussie made the "Caucasian" joke in Homestuck* and the resulting wank was so damn annoying even he said he was ashamed of the fans that defended the joke, and changed it to something else.

*Homestuck kids are drawn specifically so they can be interpreted as from any race. The only catch is - Half the kids have dark hair, and the other half has to be light-haired. But this is done for aesthetics only, and the skin color/race can be whatever you want.

[forgottenjester]

Eh, you give people wiggle room they're going to fucking roll. Maybe I've been around fandom too long but this doesn't really surprise me or anything. This will continue whether we like it or not for a while until the people perpetuating it get bored and move to another fandom... if they move.

Pictoral aid

[insanenoodlyguy]

Re: Pictoral aid

[lynx]

Exactly <3