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⌈ Secret Post #2471 ⌋

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[saku]

see i can't be mean in bioware games unless someone REALLY deserves it, like that asshole during thane's personal quest, the one you have to interrogate. i'll punch him right in his shitty face.

but i can't go full evil or even remotely close to that. i grow so close to the characters - particularly the companions - that bringing them to harm or otherwise "wronging" them isn't fun to me, it actually really fucks me up. i watch youtubes of the "evil"/renegade options sometimes though, just out of morbid curiosity. that whole bit with fenris being sold back to danarius was some psycho shit, lemme tell you. and shooting mordin? beating the hell out of legion?? i can't deal with that.

i'll beat the hell out of some little kids in skyrim tho. literally couldn't care less when it comes to bethesda games. idk what it is about bioware that messes me up.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree totally. I don't like to play evil in games, especially when I feel close to the characters. I really integrate myself, so I feel insanely guilty if I do something bad. Plus, I don't like killing - bear with me, I know it's a game, but - if I can give a bad guy mercy, I'd instantly pick that option. Especially in Dragon Age, even when most of the characters were pretty messed up and kind of assholes in their own right, I still loved them.

Skyrim is just a different type of game, though. It's not a character game. I wouldn't even call it a story game. It's a beautifully developed fantasy world that you can immerse yourself in, but the characters are just not there (and probably not meant to be).

[saku]

yeah i not only let anders live but i kept him with me and tbh i feel like that says a lot about my willingness to be mean/horrible in bioware games cuz anders deserved a firm kick in the gonads at the very least (and ok if that was an option i would have taken it but still)

and yeah i feel you on skyrim. fallout 3 and new vegas are like that too kinda, where only a few characters have a whole lot of development and the others might have names but their stories are so impersonal and secondary that i don't connect with them at all. the only thing is that i can't be mean to ed-e or any other robots cuz i really feel for them on an emotional level but other than that idc about anybody. sometimes i make playthroughs where i just go around killing literally everything that moves when i'm feeling particularly broody.

eta: but yeah most of the bioware characters (like the main ones at least) are really personable or at the very least are developed to a point where i recognise them as more than just game filler. they have lives and purpose and feelings and shit.

[(Anonymous)]

I always romance Anders and I'm generally sympathetic to his cause (and, for one, loved his character development in all its twisted deliciousness) because I'm extremely pro-mage and anti-Templar, but, Jesus, that dialogue option when you allow him to live and run away with you is just cringe-worthy. Why, why couldn't Hawke let him come with him/her yet at the same time acknowledge his betrayal of Hawke's trust and how fucked up this whole situation was in some way? Would that be such a difficult thing to do?

[saku]

yeah i dont... the whole thing was so messed up and unnecessary imo.

like ok i actually like anders but there are some things he says and does that i can't really forgive. like if you do sell fenris back to danarius anders actually approves of this - he, a mage, who has suffered at the hands of those in power over him all his life, would rejoice at a slave being returned to his former master, all because fenris rightfully did not like or trust mages. that really pissed me off because it's really not that difficult to see where fenris is coming from, and i myself am a mage sympathiser. in the tevinter imperium the mages have all the power; fenris obviously isn't accustomed to mages being oppressed and since they were the source of pretty much all his suffering he's obviously going to be hostile towards them. but anders basically says at one point that fenris let one bad experience ruin him or whatever, and it makes me really mad. if you kill anders, fenris doesn't really give a shit. i mean he might not be weeping at anders' feet but at least he doesn't fuckin find joy in anders' death.

and the whole mage-templar thing like... i get why anders did what he did. the tinder had been piling up for ages at that point and all it needed was a spark, one that was arguably necessary for change that'd been a long time coming. but the way he went about doing what he did, and at the time in which he did it, was so shitty. don't get me wrong, i personally would like to see each and every chantry burn to the ground, but jesus. the whole issue required an artistic level of delicacy imo and he blew it (literally and figuratively). i wholeheartedly believe that at best the chantry should be dismantled but i see a lot of ways in which that could have been attempted without costing scores of guiltless lives. i don't really like the whole ends-justify-the-means approach that was taking especially since i don't think that type of mindset is ultimately just.

and in light of all this, that he deems himself a worthy vessel for justice is laughable. i don't have much da2 dlc and i haven't finished awakenings (he shows up in that one right?) so i don't know a whole lot about the circumstances but i know anders is a warden so he's obviously got the taint and harbouring a good spirit seems like a bad idea when you've got the taint. justice seems more like vengeance at its worst, which is arguably not a good spiritual trait, so idk justice seems kinda corrupt. plus what was that bit where justice comes out and summons shades?? how the hell is a good spirit gonna call on demons to fight alongside it. ?? sketch as hell

so like... on one hand i want to cut anders some slack since hes clearly not wholly in control of himself, and the good spirit he once acted as a husk for isn't completely "good" anymore imo (plus he makes that sad face and i can't handle the sad face), but on the other hand, he's done a lot of stupid shit and he has a lot of really questionable opinions and it drives me insane. i loved him so much until the whole fenris thing and it all went downhill from there.

but he's a really dynamic character i think. he might have done some shitty things but he's a darn good character, even if not a wholly good person (imo).

da

[(Anonymous)]

Justice and Anders both show up in Awakening. (As separate characters - they don't merge until after that game.) I'd really recommend playing it if you're a DA2 Anders fan, and keeping both of them in your party as much as possible. It gives a lot of explanation and context to the wreck of an abomination you meet in DA2, and makes the whole thing a lot more tragic, since it's basically a case of two decent, well-intentioned entities managing to completely fuck things up beyond repair.

(And neither the reasoning behind the merging nor the impetus to stir shit up with the Chantry necessarily come from where you might expect them to.)

Re: da

[saku]

yeah i'm in the process of playing it now, but i got distracted by a new da2 playthrough so i've kinda put it on hold. i've read every detail on the wiki though so i get the gist of it, i think. still on my to-do list tho

[(Anonymous)]

For me, it's also a matter of pragmatism.

In DA2, I just couldn't betray Fenris - for romance reasons, because I'm too nice, but also because my Hawke was a squishy Archer and Fenris is so damn effective at bashing people's heads in!

In DA:O, I was constantly annoyed at Wynne- but she was the most effective healer in the group, so I couldn't kill her off.

[saku]

see i loved wynne, she was such a great mom to me. but yeah fenris is really the only warrior character that uses two-handed weps as a default (iirc??) and his personal talent tree is bomb as heck. it would really suck to lose him.

it sucks losing bethany (for me at least, i've never ended up with carver) bc i was using her as my healer and i ALWAYS take fenris so when bethany goes to the circle/dies i'm pretty much stuck such anders. he's a good fighter imo but his not getting along with fenris bugs the hell out of me.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it was the well-meant but very insistent butting into the Warden's relationships that got to me - and my MageWarden never liked her, but he never liked anything about the Circle XD

Someone had spoilt me about the Bethany situation, so I didn't bother taking her with me most of the time. But yeah, taking Anders and Fenris was a hassle - when one reacted positively to something, you bet the other reacted negatively... So when it came to mage-related quests, I always took Aveline with me.

I wouldn't have missed Isabela too terribly, but that would have been because I always play rogue and I didn't need her - I wasn't too thrilled about her "civil war is okay as long as I get to keep my treasure" stunt - but she and my Hawke were buddies, so she stayed XD

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't call the Legion sequence evil. You only get the good ending to that one if you make both the right influence checks and the right sequence of choices through two games, and if you don't manage that, you have to basically decide which of the two shitty choices is marginally less worse. The outcome if you take the other option there is also pretty gut-wrenching.

(Unless there's another instance where you can beat the hell out of Legion that I'm not recalling.)

[saku]

oh don't get me wrong i think destroying the quarians is probably the actual worst decision you can make in the game. i can't even watch that one on youtube. and i think the decision is actually really difficult to make which is why i'm so adamant about making the right choices each time i play. i do think killing legion is the less "bad" one, even though it was REALLY brutal/kinda overkill if you ask me.