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⌈ Secret Post #2477 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/S5S3u8n.jpg

[iceyred]

You're probably right, but they did have to give us a likeable male lead. And racist sexist jerks are hard to like.

You could write fix it fic that explores the time between episodes where Ichie isn't quite so progressive and has to learn modern mores and values.

[(Anonymous)]

He's got one ugly beard, please tell me he's not in a romantic or sexual relationship with that woman? "Progressive" or not, he's ugly.

[(Anonymous)]

Can't say that I disagree. Except for some fish-out-of-the-water moments with technology, he has so far acted pretty much like an average modern guy (if a bit more polite).

[morieris]

True. It would be five times more uncomfortable, but yeah.

[fauxkaren]

Tbh, I think of Sleepy Hollow as a fun escapism show. I don't really want to watch a show about a racist and sexist protagonist. So I'm fine with the fact that Ichabod is unrealistically progressive.

Disclaimer: I don't watch the show

[chardmonster]

Disclaimer disclaimer: I don't watch the show because I think a show that treats Ichabod Crane as a REAL PERSON will make me rage too hard. What's next? Hester Prynne, Attorney At Law? Too much of a history nerd

BUT

As a history nerd I can tell you that guys who were progressive about women and slavery existed. A guy from that period who can treat a black woman with respect is pretty valid as long as they acknowledge that he's in the minority. Abolition was really strong in upstate New York, which is incidentally one of the major birthplaces of the women's movement (Seneca Falls!).

[(Anonymous)]

But that would get in the way of the main plot of trying to save the world. Besides, I am sure sooner or later things will come up where his old way of thinking is going to clash. At least on the show, he's only been in modern times for a few days, a week or two at the most. Not enough time to start seeing culture clashing.

[(Anonymous)]

No thank you, I do not want to watch a weekly "Crane learns a lesson" show.

Although come to think of it I do like the very opposite, where someone from the past teaches us now about stuff we've forgotten, like the incredibly hard fight for ideals considered worth dying for that we now take for granted...

[lex_antonia]

I think it's completely realistic, given the 'prophesied witnesses' angle of the show. I mean, if Divine Providence picks one dude from all of history to fight The Good Fight TM, it better be some awesome, smart, progressive guy. It's fate, after all.

Uhm, yes. That's it. Also, pretty.

[queerwolf]

That would just be a huge roadblock in the story they're trying to tell. Wouldn't be able to stop the end of the world if they were fighting all the time. And if he were racist and sexist, they *would* be fighting.

[ypsilon42]

I kind of agree? Because on the one hand, yeah, that could be a good story with inner conflict and learning to work together and anti-racism/sexism messages.

But on the other hand? I wouldn't really trust the writers to pull it off? Or at least to pull it off in a way that is somewhat deep and nuanced? You know, without the little recaps at the end of the episode about what we learnde this week. Also I would be hard to make Ichabod likable. Not impossible, but hard.

[iggy]

No. It's nice to have a male lead who is just a genuinely respectful and good person. They're becoming increasingly rare. I don't need more asshole dudes.

[(Anonymous)]

Full agreement, anon. The replies above are why we can't have nice things. He could be a fun racist/sexist dick who learns his lessons. I'd love to see that.

I have issues with the show but his progressiveness isn't one of them. I still might watch more because I like that there are two prominent black characters on the show.

[sootyowl]

I'd rather have more Ichabod learns about the 21st century world in cute and lovely ways.

If Ichabod was a sexist and racist ass, I think viewership would plummet. It's a fun and cheesy show, not a dark drama focused on rl issues.

[(Anonymous)]

I find I have to suspend my disbelief about him being as progressive as he is. (yeah, I know, on a show with the headless horseman and the apocalypse) But I'm not sure I'd want to trudge through them going all serious about "issues".

[dont_be_a_dick]

Ouch. Right in the controversy.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, he IS a traitor to the British side.

...A very, very good-looking traitor.

*slobbers treasonously*

[(Anonymous)]

i love how she's probably standing on a stepstool in that picture

[(Anonymous)]

I'd go for that in a book version, but as a weekly tv series I'm SO glad he's straight-up likable.

[ariakas]

My inner linguist wants to see him more confused when people use terms/expressions/even grammar invented centuries after his time that he would have no context for understanding, but... ...the writers probably don't want to deal with that shit.

[(Anonymous)]

But then he'd be a douchebag racist and what's adorable about that?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but if they went with the actual views he would have had at the time [even the most liberal of those views], he wouldn't have been likable.

And, btw, him being against slavery isn't actually as progressive for his time as you'd think - there were plenty of people against it. They just weren't willing to fight a war over it. [Until much later, obviously.]

Can anyone tell me how progressive he really is, without spoilers?

[nyxelestia]

I'd read the threads, but this show is on my list of things to watch when I get some more time on my hands, and I'd like to avoid spoilers if possible. (At least the bigger stuff).

How progressive is he? Because honestly, him being progressive feels like it would be even more intriguing. Maybe I'm just jaded from other fandoms with a lot of time travel/skip in them, but I guess I feel like making him "bigoted" would be too...I don't want to say "easy", but that's all I can really think of.

The guy from the past being naturally bigoted is almost a cliche at this point. Having a guy who has progressive views and genuinely believes them, but is also influenced by the heavy biases of his time...THAT is far more interesting to me than just another "teach the ignorant from another era" situation.

[(Anonymous)]

If Ichabod is from England, it's perfectly normal for him to have those views. There was a thriving emancipation movement at the time, and England DID eradicate slavery way before the United States did.