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The fanservice made me stop watching.

It makes me wonder: how necessary is it? Do they truly get higher ratings with it? Are there dudes out there who would not watch KLK, but do now because they get to see a girl embarrassed in her underwear?

I mean, probably, I guess. It just seems weird to me that people would be "Nah, I don't want to watch that show--wait, rape jokes? I'M THERE!"

Not necessary but it's something that I appreciate and enjoy.

you appreciate rape jokes??

If they are funny, why not. Inb4 rape jokes can't never be funny. But I was talking about the fanservice, not the jokes.

What's an example of a rape joke that you think is funny?

Not trying to yell at you or anything btw, just genuinely curious.

I remember a funny male on male rape joke. There was this manga when an older guy tried to rape the cute main character, and then he raped the rapist with a smug face.

Oh man, hilarious!

It was.

"Picture porky pig raping elma fudd."

Fair enough, but it's something that actively detracts from it for me. I'm just asking

1. Would you keep watching the show if the overt fanservice stopped? (presumably yes?)

vs

2. Would I have continued to watch the show if the overt fanservice stopped (definitely yes)

Looks to me like the problem here is that you shouldn't be watching the show because it isn't for you. In my case I'm not a big fan of the female nudity and sexualization but I can ignore it and it doesn't bother me. I enjoy the male nudity, ignore the female one. Problem solved.

This is like watching a porn movie and complaining because there are sex scenes Kill la Kill is directed by Imaishi, produced by Trigger that are former Gainax employees. Of course that there will be fanservice, female nudity and sexualization. I'm glad that this time there's something for me too. I'm loving all the scenes with the shirtless teacher and I'm sure I'll enjoy the naked guy of next episode.

It's a shame, because I've loved lots of Gainax productions in the past (I still watch FLCL at least once a year) and there's so much about Kill la Kill that appeals to me (kickass ladies! superextreme battles! tons of sight gags!)

And I even like fanservice in a lot of places. I like boobs as much as the next lesbian, fgs.

But the overt sexualization of a character who does not want to be sexualized is really gross to be. If it were like Bayonetta or Panty & Stocking, where it's within the characters' personality to pose sexily and show some skin, it would be fine. But depicting scenes where a girl who doesn't want to be exposed is forced to dress in a really skimpy outfit and have everyone leer at her, and then to say that she should accept this if she wants to be powerful? That's upsetting to me, and makes me stop enjoying the show.

I disagree that it's the nature of the genre. I've seen other stuff that Trigger and Gainax have done. They could be better.

I love you for this comment.

MTE

Nooooo but don't you understand, she just needed to EMBRACE her inner exhibitionist?!!

Yeah, I'm pretty grossed out by it too. :/

The show is about clothing; the nudity and the embarassment are part of the theme and the story doesn't work without them. This is pretty much what the narrative in Kill la Kill is going for: http://sushiobunny.tumblr.com/post/64589948299/just-to-make-my-own-opinion-clear-kill-la-kill

Even the title refers to the clothing idea; kiru means "being dressed".

Looks to me like the problem here is that you shouldn't be watching the show because it isn't for you

That is indeed the problem, but it is not MY problem. Yes, media that makes light of rape is not for me. It should not be for anyone. Trying to suggest that I just leave it be and ignore it because "It's made for guys, ofcourse you don't like it" is ignorant bullshit.

>hurrr durrr you can't make rape jokes
Please kill youself.

It's illegal to say that, btw~

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/1475-no-encouraging-suicide-from-your-computer-is-not-free-speech-court-rules

I wish you lego-covered floors for the rest of your days. :)

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gross

Excuse me for enjoying watching shirtless attractives dudes. Now fuck off.

For once it's actually thematically relevant.

Now whether those themes are worthwhile is another question, but then again it's an odd question in the first place.

I mean fundamentally the majority of TV isn't at all 'necessary', why is this your line.

I meant "necessary for the show" not "necessary for the world in general," sorry for being unclear.

I guess it might be better to say "is the show better for having it?" or "is it worth driving off an audience who would otherwise like it?" rather than "is it necessary." In the first episode, gosh, I so wanted to like it, but I kept getting thrown out of the moment because it kept creeping me out. I wanted to like this show! I really did!

For instance, cannibalism is pretty necessary to Hannibal, even though that concept can be alienating. It is thematically appropriate to the show, and the show would not work without it.

Shinji masturbating to completion over Asuka's comatose body was thematically relevant to End of Evangelion's "FUCK YOU FANBOYS THIS IS WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE" ongoing theme. It is alienating, but since the whole point of the movie was Shinji's downward spiral and disassociation from all personal contact, and this added to it. And also that Anno hates you. :D

If making the lead dress in a sexual way she does not want is to the theme of the show, then I suppose that's fine, although it depends on where it goes, like you said. In the first episode, it seemed utterly unnecessary to the show--it could be removed, and we'd be left with goofy over-the-top fights and a kickass main character and weird worldbuilding and the show would be better for it.

Do you honestly believe that they give a shit about some western sensitive souls?

Nope! I don't believe they give a fuck about treating ladies fairly at all!

If they did, they wouldn't do that.

Doesn't mean it's not shitty.

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