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⌈ Secret Post #2503 ⌋

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Yeah but you aren't in his position.
It's so easy to say "If I were X character I'd do Y thing". You have no clue and can't judge them for not reacting the way you would hypothetically react.

he said it out of anger and I'm sure he probably felt some amount of grief when he heard about his death (if not at the moment then at some point). I can't really blame him though. I can't imagine how I would feel if I found out that the father I admired had turned into a complete monster. I would probably say some harsh things too

but lol at you using "cancer-stricken" to try to make him seem more sympathetic. cancer only goes so far for building sympathy points

troll

I'm guessing your skyler bashing secrets weren't working as well as you hoped so you decided to go for walt jr instead. good luck with that

An opinion I disagree with? You is TROLLIN'.

Yeah the only way I'd turn against my father like that is if he was a rapist, serial killer or something similar. If I found out he was making meth to support me the least I would do is hear him out.

Technically, Walt is a serial killer. He has killed more than 3 people in separate incidents.

He also raped Skyler, sooo...

You mean the time when he tried to initiate sex, she said no and he STOPPED?

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(Anonymous) - 2013-11-10 10:47 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2013-11-10 19:51 (UTC) - Expand

Not quite. Designation as a serial killer generally requires the murders not be related to or in the service of other criminal activity. He's a multiple murderer and all around shitty human being, but serial killers are a special subset of that breed.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-11-10 04:05 (UTC) - Expand

What about if you thought he killed your beloved uncle?

Different people have different ways of expressing "I never want to have anything to do with you ever again".

I haven't seen second half of the last season but did he just find out about the meth or did he also find out about all the, uh, murdering and other morally reprehensible shit as well?

this is after walt's claimed responsibility for some very spoilery deaths that REALLY fuck up his family. so...

Ohhhh. Well, clearly you've never been in a position before where your father was doing something awful to/for you.

To be honest, I have mixed feelings about my (biological) father. On one hand, I really want nothing to do with him because of what he did to me and what a crappy person he was when I was with him (neglected me, kidnapped me, abused drugs around me, etc). On the other hand, he has a new family now, and is a changed guy.

It's really really hard for a kid to be in that position. It really is. When there's both good and bad in a person who is supposed to love you, and you're expected to be able to deal with the worst that comes out.

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Not my argument. I was actually trying to say that people are going to have disparate reactions. My feelings about my father are complex,and some people are going to have reactions like Junior's and some people are going to... not do much.

My point was more like, "You don't know because you've never been put in that position before." Which, judging by the OP's wording, I would hazard to guess is true.

They basically said, "I would never do what Junior did even if my dad were XYZ." And I was trying to say, "Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. It's complicated."

And I likely poorly phrased it originally, or misrepresented myself.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-11-09 23:55 (UTC) - Expand

It's not only the meth-making. Last time Junior saw Walt, Walt was fighting his mother with a knife, then kidnapping his sister, if only briefly, and was at least involved in the death of his uncle. He had good reasons to be very angry at Walt, even if Walt had good intentions regarding him. I don't know, I think Junior was harsh to both his parents in turn, but I can't really blame him. He's mostly sweet kid in a confusing and nasty situation who sometimes lashes out. Well, yeah.

That said, it's one of the few times in the last 2 seasons, possibly the only time, where I did feel sorry for Walt. Not that he wasn't a truly horrible person, but when you remember the kind of man he used to be, and his initial motives, and when you see the ruin he brought on himself...it's pretty fucking sad, yeah.

I thought it was tough but it was a good moment. With the way that Junior sided with Walt against (reasonable) Skyler throughout the series, I kind of felt some satisfaction when he finally realized Walt wasn't the saint he thought he was and he finally sided with Skyler against Walt.

I'm not going to claim that anyone has a monopoly on shitty parent experiences, but I think it's important to remember that Walt hasn't been there emotionally for his son, at least not since the beginning of the series. He's watched his dad draw away and basically cut him, his mother, and his sister out of his life. On top of this, he took full credit for what happened to Hank (to protect Skyler from police questioning and get her some protective measures from the police, it seems), so Jr believes his dad is fully responsible and killed Hank. And it's not just making meth or being a criminal, the man actually HAS killed a large number of people. On top of that, he lied to his family and appeared to attack his wife in front of his son. He kidnapped his daughter, which I'm sure gave Jr a huge amount of stress and anxiety because, yeah, he might not worry the way a mother does, but he loves his sister! Then there's the drug aspect, which is really the least of the issues at hand.

Knowing Jr's personality, I wasn't at all surprised about his reaction. There are some people who might be able to forgive all that stuff, but I don't think Jr's one of them, especially since he tried multiple times to connect with his dad again after all the stuff started. The story isn't about how everyone in the world is unreasonable toward Walt, it's about the consequences of this particular man's actions. Jr reacted the way Jr needed to, and I think it's unfair to blame a person or character for their emotional/verbal reaction to a situation that was highly damaging to him, personally. Aside from the feelings of betrayal, he would also be getting a great deal of attention, judgment and hostility toward HIM because of what his dad did, something he'll be carrying with him for the rest of his life.

And I think the Hank issue is a huge one. Hank and Marie had a big part in Jr's life, and I think it's clear from the beginning that Jr admires Hank a lot. They spend time together independently (enough that Hank can trick Jr into having that weird lecture about drugs, and that Jr called Hank when he got busted trying to buy beer). They have a very loving, supportive and involved familial relationship. This factor alone would explain Jr's reaction to me, even without all the other things he now knows about his father.

um, are you forgetting Junior, like almost everyone else, was under the impression that his father murdered his uncle?

Part of the tragedy is that Jr. would have said the same roughly a year before. And one could argue that at that point it's not primarily Walt's love or desire to provide that causes him to make that phone call, but his pride; to put his name to the money he wants to send and to hear his son champion his efforts without even considering how Jr. feels.

He's a child and he was dealing with the very horrible actions of his father, the meth-maker and killer of human beings. Cut the kid some slack.

Late reply, but. Um. The last time he saw his father, he had a knife fight with his mom and abducted his baby sister. He also killed his beloved uncle, as far as Jr. knew. FWIW I don't think he really hate-hated him, he was just incredibly angry and lashed out, but it wasn't unreasonable, especially after Walt's emotional (and often physical) unavailability for the past year.

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