[ SECRET POST #2505 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2505 ⌋

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Comments

[scrubber]

Would you believe me if I said this is my explainy mood.

[gondremark]

Awesome :)

By the way, I dredged up the link where Tumblr goes all lynch-mob on a trans man for his how-to-pass guide. note: may induce raging.
http://stfutransmisogynisttransfolks.tumblr.com/post/60770645818

He does indeed use the word "tranny" and that does make me a little uncomfortable, but since he's using it to refer to himself and not as a pejorative I just cringed once or twice and then went on to read about how suits fit and how bulking up one's shoulders gives one a more masculine silhouette. Tumblr just doesn't get it.

[scrubber]

For some reason I expected only mild annoyance but then I got an eyeful of typical tumblr talk like "gross" "skeevy" "I stopped reading" "have no business" rrrrr oh god Tumblr just stop. Stop telling people who aren't hurting anyone how to live their lives. Stop taking every innocuous comment to the most extreme possible offense. Just stop existing. Just stooooooooooop.

I'd call it a snake eating it's own tail but at least that carries the promise of self-destruction and I'm pretty sure these assholes are just increasing and uuuuughhh.

I'm building an ark I hope the Earth floods tomorrow.

You can come if you want. It'll be mostly cisscum though because, you know, re-population.

[gondremark]

Yeah, sorry, rage inducing, don't say I didn't warn you. I always find it hilarious when Tumblr says something is so horrible they stopped reading after seeing one of the many horrible things they're yammering about. Stop taking other people's word for the allegedly horrible things you didn't see, and either read the article or only yammer about the part you did read.
Reading comprehension is your friend, it separates the functionally literate from those who can read words and yet are illiterate. It baffles me how much of the Tumblr crowd seems to be college age or older. Old enough to know how to read and how to behave like civilized beings. Heck, I know 8 year old children who are better at being offended while maintaining composure and reason than Tumblr.
And for all they spout about activism and calling out [insert offence here], they're really only doing harm to the issues they claim to represent. The last thing transgender rights needs is a bunch of wackos screaming their heads off like this and making all trans people look like crazies.

I said a while back (I don't remember what secret it was in response to, and it was before I made an account so I can't really find it) that I wondered what Tumblr thought of trans men. Trans = shiny, man = demonscum. So where does a trans man fit in? Well, now I know. Those Star Trek gifs are starting to seem less and less worth it.

Anyway, I had a point when I started typing, not sure where it went. But this ark sounds like a very good idea. Just make sure enough of the cisscum are brilliant geneticists and reproduction shouldn't be an issue :)

[nyxelestia]

Funnily enough, most of the minute details concerning race and racial relations and stuff that I see online? Didn't come up when I want to one of the biggest single state/region NAACP conventions in the country (CA-HI). And that's after discounting the race-in-the-media component that makes up the bulk of it.

Same thing with gender, too. You can claim that using "females" to refer to women is universally degrading to women in the English language all you want, you'll never make me believe that all the doctors, ministers, and community leaders who used "females" when discussing the prevalence of HIV among young African-American women are somehow secretly sexist and attempting to dehumanize the very women they were trying to humanize for that kind of discussion in the first place. >.<

/rant

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU

I was so confused when I saw someone start telling someone to die for referring to someone's "female ex"

like "damn now we can't use that word either? ffs"

[(Anonymous)]

Why can't trans men use that word? If they're using it to describe themselves and not as a perjorative is then I don't see the big deal. Full disclosure, I'm not trans* and I'm really naive on trans* issues but I'd like to learn. I apologize if any of this comes off as rude.

[gondremark]

Usually when I hear the word "tranny", it's being used as a pejorative towards my friend who's a trans woman. It's never been applied to me, because the sort of people who fling slurs around don't know that trans men even exist (I've been called all sorts of things that are meant to insult butch women), so when I see the word with no context, I assume there's an Insult-Gondremark's-Friend context and cringe a bit. So that's why I don't like it.

But there's absolutely no reason whatsoever why someone can't reclaim the word if he or she so chooses, which is why after the initial cringe reaction upon reading it, I went on to completely ignore the potentially offensive connotations and read what is otherwise a rather helpful article.

The reason Tumblr says this particular word cannot be reclaimed is because Tumblr is bonkers.

And your question wasn't rude at all, no need to apologize. If you don't know something, you have to find out somehow, and asking politely is the best way to do that, never mind what Tumblr says.

[(Anonymous)]

I can totally understand that. I feel the same about the n-word, but while I personally wouldn't use it, I can understand why some black people reclaim it. So I kinda didn't see why such the fuss about a trans man using the word to describe himself. Of course, there's a lot of differences between the situations, so maybe that wasn't the best example to use.

I've heard that only trans women should only be allowed reclaim it because it is mainly used as a perjorative against them or something along those lines. I apologize if I seem to be brushing it off, I don't mean to, but I'm really naive about feminist concepts as well especially when it deals with trans* issues. The exact argument they used escapes me and it sort of went over my head.

I tend to apologize a lot and since I'm really ignorant when it such a sensitive topic, I worry that I may offend someone. I've seen a lot of people dogpiled as well, so I try to tread carefully. Thank you for being understanding.

[gondremark]

I think it's roughly the same situation with the N-word and the T-word. N-word has been reclaimed to the extent that when used within the group it's immediately known it's not an insult. T-word still has a ways to go, I don't know if it'll actually get reclaimed in the end or not, but if someone wants to try, go for it.

The T-word is used against trans women and male crossdressers much much more often than against trans men and female crossdressers, but that has more to do with popular media not seeming to know that trans men exist. We still get it flung at us on occasion (though it hasn't happened to me personally), but we're much more likely to be perceived (and thus insulted) as lesbians or gay men (it's kind of funny how you get different flavours of the gay insult depending on how well you're passing that day).

I'd say that because of this, trans women might have more of an interest in reclaiming it than trans men do (simply because they hear it so much more often), but it does apply to all of us and we're all in this together.

[(Anonymous)]

So my comparison wasn't too off the mark then. I hope that the t-word can be reclaimed to the extent that the n-word has or somewhere close to it.

Alright, since it is used much often towards trans women than trans men, I can understand a bit why trans women wouldn't want trans men to use it. However, like you said it does apply to all of you as well so I don't see too much of a problem if a trans men wanted to reclaim it and apply the word to himself.

Thank you, again. The information you've given me is really insightful and helpful. I'd ask more wuestions about trans issues but I don't want to bother you too much with my questions. I will some googling instead. Thank you so much. :3

[nyxelestia]

And your question wasn't rude at all, no need to apologize. If you don't know something, you have to find out somehow, and asking politely is the best way to do that, never mind what Tumblr says.

You, I like you. ♥

(Sorry if that's out of the blue, ran into too many "it's not my job to educate you" idiots recently, still have a headache from the eyerolling).

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I think it's an entirely legitimate response if you think the question is in bad faith to start with. There's a difference between:

1. Would you please explain?

and

2. Could you please explain why you're not a piece of shit? It's perfectly obvious to me that you are a piece of shit because, reasons. But I could be wrong so please provide your rationalizations so I can attack them.

Of course, a better response is to drop #2 into the block list, but I'm not terribly good at the better part of valor.

[gondremark]

That's the difference between someone trying to educate her or himself, and someone just being a nasty old chowderhead.

It's not my job to go around educating the world about what I am, it's your job to educate yourself, but I am one of the best sources for you to use to educate yourself. If a trans man isn't going to take a moment to explain his pronouns to someone who honestly doesn't understand, then where is the person going to learn said pronouns from? Is the person supposed to guess? ask someone else who guessed? look it up on wikipedia and hope they're at the right article? This stuff is confusing and it isn't easy to find accurate information on it, so why would I not want to help rectify this problem and explain a few things now and again, even if it does mean I'm going to be explaining the same thing in the same way to several people?

[nyxelestia]

♥

[gondremark]

See, basic human decency goes a long way :)

[(Anonymous)]

Oh hey, I know that guy, he has a pretty good LGBT themed book review list.

I mean, I get why people wouldn't like the word "tranny" being tossed about, but wouldn't it be a lot like black people using the word "nigger" to refer to each other? But eh, well, to each their own.

[(Anonymous)]

So I didn't read the wank, but I really like that guide. Now I know what to shop for if I get a management position.

Even if I am still confused on where I lie on the gender spectrum. :( I hate being confused.