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I'm still really fucking pissed that Buffy's friends kicked her out of HER OWN FUCKING HOUSE.

Ditto. And Dawn's 'it's my house too' was such bullshit. It's funny I didnt do a rewatch of this series until last year and my thoughts on Buffy in this season have completely changed.

That was so stupid. I mean, how exactly? You are a guest in someone's house and you just tell them to take a hike? Bullshit.

I agree, but without it I don't think we would have got Spike's "You're a hell of a woman" speech, which never fails to bring me to tears.

Yes! That was an amazing moment and one of my favorites scenes.

IA that the speech was great, but that actually just irritated me MORE. It was like, the only reason the writers pulled that shit was to create a scenario where Spike could give that speech, even though the scenario itself was infuriating and made no sense and damaged the other characters so much. It was so damn lazy.

Couldn't he have given her the speech even if she didn't get kicked out? At least a close version of it...

I am still angry at them for kicking Buffy out of her own house, I probably should get over that at some point in my life: "But today is not the day gif."

Yeah I know! It seemed like whole thing was just for cheap drama.

There are so many fictional events that I am still so not over even years, it's sort of ridiculous. :)

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making_excuses - 2014-01-11 01:52 (UTC) - Expand

IMO almost everything that made the other characters look bad was engineered to make Spike look good as he was the fans' and writers' darling.
Hence the fact that s6/7 made zero sense.

Pretty much this.

Her friends always think they know better than her and lecture her. Particularly Xander, but Willow too (beginning of season 3 was bad as well, I mean, yes, she left, but she had to kill the man she loves, what's wrong with you people?).

And the frustrating thing is that the tone of the show is usually that Buffy is wrong and everyone else is right.

This is why I don't want to rewatch Buffy, because I know I will be even more pissed of about the way they threat Buffy now that I am older...

I still watch it because Buffy is awesome. And Willow is awesome when she isn't ragging on Buffy. And Giles is awesome when he isn't abandoning her. Xander sucks, but I love the show in spite of him.

I want to start up again, but I would start at season 1 and even when I saw it the first time it wasn't exactly the greatest thing on earth... It will probably always be one of my favourite shows and I would defend it forever, but what if I don't like Spike anymore? What will I do with my life?

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(Anonymous) - 2014-01-11 08:58 (UTC) - Expand

Maybe I'm in the minority but one of the things I loved about Buffy was that she got called out on her actions. I have trouble watching/reading superhero/hero stories for too long if the hero is always supposed to be in the right and always has the support of their loyal friends. Real relationships don't work like that, and heros who have a lot of power always inevitably make bad decisions.

That being sad, the thing about getting kicked out of her house that bugged me is that it was this big dramatic moment that... amounted to nothing. They quickly all got back on the same page, which we needed for the finale but it was definitely missing more character moments to both set up kicking out Buffy and to have them make up. But season 7 is like my least favorite of all the seasons, I don't even remember much from it because I barely rewatch any of it.

I gotta respectfully disagree with your first sentence. There was only one time during the show's run where Buffy needed to be called out on her behavior and actions and that was in When She Was Bad. Every other episode and season was about her friends - particularly Xander - slapping Buffy down for being human and reacting to traumatic events in her life as a human being and NOT a superhero.

And, for example, the one time she tried to act as a hero rather than a human being - when she felt she had to slay Anya for killing those frat boys - Xander was there again to tell her how wrong she was, even though she was finally doing what he had badgered, snarked and bullied her about in s2.

The infuriating thing was, the tone of the show was that he was right.

man.

fucking xander.

I completely agree (and OOOOHHHHH Xander irritates me).

The thing was, Buffy was just doing what they'd been pushing her to do all along. Everyone acted like being a Slayer meant being a master of military tactics, but that's not the case. Buffy's smart, sure, and she's a quick thinker, but slayers were created to fight alone, not lead armies. Yet suddenly everyone, Giles included, is pushing her to become the general of the army and lead, and when she does, and something goes wrong, then they turn on her. Yeah. I just. Not a fan of that.

I agree with this. Even if I do think that EVERYONE was out of line when they kicked Buffy, I GET why they felt that way and did it. And it bothers me how many people don't see that. I mean, they where wrong, but how can you not understand them feeling like that? I just see it as people siding with Buffy without accounting for the rest's feelings, and you can't go about it like that.

And yeah, it didn't amount to anything but make all of them go "Yeah, we should like listen to Buffy and all" I mean, if Buffy have had some sort of growth? I dunno, But I do feel that even her choices where as best as any or better, she had trouble talking with "her army". That's what caused the boot.

I can see why they would feel that they have a right to criticize Buffy.
But I also see that as far as we can tell, everybody in that house at that point is solely relying on her to not only defend them, and but also to PAY THE FUCKING MORTGAGE and attend to the rest of their needs.
Which adds a burden over her shoulder and take more of her time and energy working a job.

You want to complain about how the house is run, you start by paying the bills. Even Dawn at that point is of age to get a job.

So, make her step down from being the one in charge of their strategy, and to collaborate more? Okay.
Kicking her out of her own house? Hell no.

Yes, that was the episode that made me hate the Scoobies. Ugh.

ugh buffy's friends are LITERALLY THE FUCKING WORST

Correction: Her own fucking house that some of them had been living in apparently rent free while Buffy had to take on a shitty fast food job.

Which circles back to the original secret, which I also totally agree with. She was recently orphaned, recently brought back from the dead, suddenly had a little sister to look after, didn't have the experience or, because of her slayerness and everything else, schedule to hold down anything other than a crappy low paying job -- and this is the time to abandon her? Really?

On the otherhand, she had her friends in-house, a close relationship with her sister-daughter, and had even managed to get an entry-level job in one of the few sectors where a college dropout had a legitimate chance of career progression. You can see how he might think that she had finally gotten her shit together and was not only moving on with her life but had an live-in support group. What better time to start withdrawing and letting her stand on her own.

Oh my god yes that was a lot worse even that Giles leaving her.

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