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⌈ Secret Post #2565 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Did you see all the episodes leading up that where he stayed and she handed all of her non-slaying responsibilities over to him? I can't see how his staying would have done anything but make her more dependent on him than she already was. If that's even possible, that is.

[erinptah]

She's only like 18 or 19 when this all happens, though. In a kinder world, she would have been dependent on her mother in a lot of ways for several more years -- and would never have had sole responsibility for her 15-year-old sister.

For Giles to step in and fill the void created by Joyce's sudden death isn't impeding anyone's development. If anything, it's bringing things back toward normal -- giving Buffy a chance to take on adult responsibilities at the natural pace she would have done if Joyce had lived, rather than artificially shoving her through all of it at once.

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

Yeah, a nice rich upper middle class who had suddenly deal with getting a job and looking after her kid sister. Such a burden to bear for a middle class princess.

[erinptah]

Pretty sure it would be a burden to bear for anyone. Just because her circumstances weren't the hardest in the world doesn't mean they were easy.

She had already spent some time supporting herself on a waitressing job, so it's not like she's averse to work or has class-based pretensions about what kind she deserves. The problem was more that she kept running into things like fast-food-based demons.

[(Anonymous)]

She wasn't babysitting - she was being a parent to her teenage sister, who was only a few years younger than Buffy was. While also having to go out every night and kill demons. Little detail there.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention that time passed for all her friends, but when Buffy came out of the ground, her mother's death was still fresh FOR HER.

The others had had the chance to grieve Joyce Summers, at least for a few months. Buffy hadn't. But it seemed like the people around her expected her to have magically fast-forwarded somehow.

[(Anonymous)]

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You never watched the show did you? You realize Buffy had jobs through out highschool. Also rich =/= middle class.

[(Anonymous)]

I've watched the show lots of times and I don't remember any jobs in high school. Details?

[(Anonymous)]

It was a burden to a twenty year old who had already been charged with keeping the world safe, who had actually been brought back from the dead to continue to keep the world safe and make her friends feel better about what they did and work a job and try to be mother, father and sister to an emotionally vulnerable 15 year old who was bearing her own burden of not being 'real', all the while dealing with depression.

So the decision to take away her only real source of emotional strength and fatherly love? Not the best thing the writers could have done to her. But then the writers really did their best to shit on Buffy in s6.

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

She could always have turned to her actual father who was alive and well and living a few miles away in L.A.

Plenty of lower-class kids have to handle a lot more than Buffy. basically the whole moral of that was princess falls on hard times, cry me a river.

[tabaqui]

Your 'poor me, i grew up poor' chip is showing and - Hank was pretty much 100 percent out of their lives from the get-go, why in the world would she turn to *him*? He didn't even come to Joyce's funeral.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you watch the show or are you just persisting in your ignorance to be trollish?

Hank Summers had been absent from Buffy's life for years before her mother died. They couldn't even reach him in Spain during Forever, to let him know they were planning Joyce's funeral and his girls were effectively parentless. He lived in LA at the start of S2 but after that, it's anybody's guess where he went after that. This is why Buffy leaned on Giles, why she asked him to take her to an ice skating show for her 18th birthday in s3, because her real father didn't want the job.

But facts kind of get in the way for you, am I right?

[arcadiaego]

First you've said ASH loving his kids isn't realistic and now you're saying someone's mum dying shouldn't be hard if you're middle class. I just feel you're not trying as hard as usual to pretend you believe what you're saying?

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

True, that was poorly phrased. I find it much more likely that someone would want to flee from America than let family get in the way of career. Lots of fathers make long-term work placements work for them, and that is even more true for actors.

With Buffy, I'm just saying I don't have much sympathy for the 'middle-class princess brought low and has to work for a damn living' attempts at pulling on heartstrings. As if pretty little white girls are supposed to be excused hardship, bereavement, and honest labor.

[arcadiaego]

No one's said she should be excused hardship.

[(Anonymous)]

This had nothing to Joyce's death a year earlier. It had a lot more to do with Buffy's death than her mother's. And she turned 21 in this season. Still young, yes, but not incapable of taking responsibility. It was even mentioned that she could do it but didn't want to.

[erinptah]

Joyce's death a year earlier still means that Joyce isn't around in this season to do things like take care of Dawn. Or provide support during Buffy's serious depression.

It isn't that Buffy is ultimately incapable. Younger people with even less support have managed to cope in worse circumstances. That doesn't mean they should need to, or that, if you decide to help someone in that situation, it's a moral failing on your part.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
Giles did help her. Her response was to expect him to do everything for her.

I only brought up the timing of her mother's death in response to what you said, which wasn't accurate. Giles wasn't stepping in to fill the void from Joyce's death, which is what you said. He was giving his slayer a helping hand when she needed it. He did the exact same thing when he left; he gave her no choice but to take responsibility because that's what she needed.