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⌈ Secret Post #2565 ⌋

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Comments

[tabaqui]

I agree 100 percent. What he did was inexcusable. When someone is drowning, you don't decide to toss them a brick and tell them 'get strong'.

I was pissed at Giles for the rest of the show, after that, and never forgave him.

[lunabee34]

Yep yep. But I think since we have kiddos (and yours will soon be approaching Buffy's age here), we have a different perspective on Giles "doing everything for her" and her ability to parent successfully and earn a living while also saving the world after being dead and dealing with depression.

As many people post on this comm about dealing with depression and their inability to function normally while depressed (and I struggle with depression myself), I'm surprised at the people in this thread suggesting that a depressed child was leaning on Giles too much and needed to do everything on her own to learn a life lesson.

[tabaqui]

Me, too. Jayzus, she was *buckling* under everything she'd gone through, including being dragged out of heaven, and she's supposed to suck it up and power through?

Yucko.

[arcadiaego]

It's disturbing how many people still genuinely believe 'suck it up' is actually helpful to people suffering from depression and stress. You don't have to do everything the depressed person wants, but leaving the country to be 'cruel to be kind' is a different matter.

[tabaqui]

I know. He could have told her his concerns and helped her work something out, or helped her find some support or just *been* supportive.

Hell, i think she and Dawn should have sold the house and moved into an apartment. Less money going out, no repairs to pay for.

Ah, well. That's what fanfic is for.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it has more to do with the depression angle than being a parent. I have a daughter almost Buffy's age and I think Giles did the right thing. But I have never experienced depression in myself or in someone that close to me. I think that's more likely to be the reason I think Buffy's behavior needed to change and that Giles' extreme action to make it happen were the right thing to do.

[(Anonymous)]

For a girl with a normal life, sure. But just to try to try a real world example (though it's far from perfect), what if your daughter was a combat veteran who had just been discharged with PTSD? Would your answer still be the same? The situations aren't perfectly analogous, but I think it's comparable.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not even remotely comparable since people close to the combat vet would know to look for signs of PTSD. No one but the audience knew exactly what Buffy had been through and she acted (at that point) more like she didn't want to deal with responsibilities rather than she was drowning in pressure/depression. And PTSD wasn't something most people knew about back then. Even if they had known, they had no reason to suspect she had it. Based on how she acted and what the people around her knew, Giles' actions were reasonable.

[(Anonymous)]

I completely disagree. Giles left AFTER they found out she'd been in heaven - that means that everyone knew what she'd been though at the point he left. And he still left. And they may mot have known about PTSD as a recognized thing, but all knew she'd been through impossible trauma over the last five-six years, to the point she actually went into a catatonic state in season five right before taking her own life to save the world. She is NOT a normal 21 year old with normal 21 year old problems that should have just toughed it out and "got over it." She was a soldier, a warrior, who fought and killed almost everyday from the time she was 16, and who had seen and done some awful things that no teenager should ever have to deal with. And they all expected her to keep ON being that soldier, AND hold down a day job and pay the bills, AND be a parent to Dawn - that would have been rough even without the trauma.

[agnes_bean]

He didn't leave until after the musical episode. Yes, he came to the decision to do so before Buffy's "I was in heaven" confession, but he still heard that before he left. He saw enough in that one song alone to know what she was not in a good place.

[arcadiaego]

The show had portrayed Giles as a father figure to Buffy though so the parent part is relevant.

[lunabee34]

Fair enough. :)

As a college professor, I primarily deal with students who are Buffy's age. I have seen some of them lose parents and siblings and I have seen them become responsible for the financial security of an entire family, and these are things which are truly devastating even for young adults who have a support system in place. When I think of Buffy, she truly has no other adult in her life that she can talk to about things or model herself after or ask questions. It's great that she's got the Scoobies to support her, but that doesn't take the place of relatives or family friends or adults who go to her church or grown up neighbors or who ever that she can lean on. If that makes sense.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I wasn't. But then, I didn't get my favorite character implausibly elevated to sainthood in his place, so aren't you lucky. All the fanservice AND righteous anger. Bingo.

[(Anonymous)]

There really does seem to be a correlation in the fandom as a whole between Spike fans and those who are pissed at Giles for leaving.

[(Anonymous)]

Not so much "pissed at him for leaving" as "Giles is now forever unforgiveable and evil [and secretly always was] and Spike is now most wonderful character evar, only one to know the meaning of true love and oh, did we mention that killing thousands of people over a century is all wiped out and irrelevant now he has a souuulll and is redeeeeeemed".

Yuk.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS! The woobie lovers even went so far as to a see a secret that had nothing to do with Spike and start a whole thread about how ~amazing~ he is. Puh-lease!

[tabaqui]

Well, aren't you a peach.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Buffy had some serious PTSD going on in season six. Even in season five, she was emotionally about to snap. Remember the catatonic state she went into after Glory took Dawn? And after being pulled out of that, she dies, gets resurrected in a horrific way, has to deal with readjusting, dealing with her mother's death all over again (with everything that was going on with Glory and Dawn, she probably never really had much of a chance to process that and grieve her), and now is expected to hold down a day job and pay the bills+ be full time slayer + be parent to Dawn. Not to mention the related stress of Willow's magic addition and her split with Tara. That would be a challenge for anyone, much less a 21 year old who'd been through the trauma that she had in the last five-six years. So yes, I think what Giles did was terrible. There were better ways than just leaving her to drown by herself. (Although I never knew until this secret that ASH wanted out - I just figured it was another way of making Buffy's life suck as much as possible.)

[tabaqui]

So much this! Plus the house was, apparently, not in good shape (full copper repipe!), and Buffy was being threatened with CPS taking Dawn away, and her 'roommates' had moved in and taken over her *mother's* room, and did jack to help pay the bills....

I didn't know that about ASH, either, but they could have handled that *so* much better.

[(Anonymous)]

Something that just occurred to me - did anyone ever mention Buffy going back to college in S6? Or was it just pretty much expected for her to get a job and take care of Dawn? It's been a while, and I can't remember for sure. It seems like I remember it being mentioned, but they didn't have the money, or something.

[tabaqui]

I think she started to/talked about it, but then money and the house and whatnot became too much of an issue and she couldn't deal. I think...she talked to the school and was like 'if i do this, pay this, blah blah, i can go back' and it was a fairly impossible set of hoops to jump at that time.

So add another layer of 'you're a failure at school' guilt and worry to the whole mess.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah that makes sense.