[ SECRET POST #2589 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2589 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/iDTRHXv.png

[(Anonymous)]

Sherlock is a show that's made by people when they aren't busy with their real work. It's no surprise that series 3 was disappointing because they devoted even less time than usual to making it.

[(Anonymous)]

First of all. This is NOT a secret, and should have made the failbar. (I, for one, am glad that it did not.)


Secondly. Even if they hadn't decided to pander to the lowest common denominator in the fandom, and had provided more plot, experience has shown that it would be Moffat's plot.

This would NOT be a good thing, OP.

Poor BBC Sherlock. The idea was excellent, the initial execution was fair to middling, and then it completely tanked, when they decided to make it a 100%-fanfiction-driven show, powered by the insane babblings of teenaged Tumblr users.

Which, is fine, now it's a kids' show, OP. As long as you realize that, you'll be able to either roll wth it, and keep watching, or dismiss it entirely, and move on to better, more intelligent fare.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you've hit on what irritates me the most about the show: the fact that it/it's fans, all seem to think that it's this super well-written, intelligent, smart show. And...it's...it's just not.

[kallanda_lee]

Hmm, I don't know. I've seen a lot of shippers go ecstatic over the (once again) copious amount of queerbaiting. If OP runs in those circles I can see why it would be a secret, because OMG how dare you criticize those "relationship episodes".

I feel much the same, really. I liked the previous serious, this one just seemed so sloppy and lazy.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS.

I was initially a big fan of the show... but then I realized that, in reality, the show is not as good as the fandom think it is.

In fact, in some episodes, it's poorly written.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah yes, that's the Moffat/Gatiss model of writing -- write something with huge emotional impact and meaning for maximum immediate transcendentally mind blowing effect that will leave everyone gaping at the TV screen groping to make sure the top of their head is still on. Regardless of the fact that following through with the repercussions will mean that they must either get bogged in a long, dull, sappy domestic drama or an infuriating uncaring brush-off. Narrative integration? What's that?

[(Anonymous)]

My guess for the change is that Moffat watched Elementary to see what the fuss was about and read the fans' commentary how that show fleshed out their characters while BBC's Sherlock's character were flat and there to drive the plot forward and nothing more. (You can see this argument over and over on tumblr.)

Seeing this, Moffat thought, well, I can do this too. And made season three about fleshing out characters on his version. Thing is, I don't think it really worked that well. Sherlock and Elementary are too different. Yes, they have the same roots in ACD but they are going at it on two different paths.

Sherlock has always been plot driven, while Elementary is character driven. Fans pick up on this. Again, you can see this on tumblr where people pour over every little detail in Sherlock to find clues. Look at all the theories over how Sherlock survived his fall. Meanwhile, on Elementary, the fans there pour over the characters, almost never the plots. About how eccentric and broken Sherlock is. How strong, smart and developed Joan is. Even the secondary characters like Bell and Moriarty are talked about in terms of how fleshed out they are.

And it's okay to have two different styles. You can be a fan of one or the other. And for many, you can be a fan of both. But Moffat's mistake was not sticking to his original formula and trying to make Sherlock a character driven show. Doesn't work after two seasons of having it plot based. People are expecting plot based stories.

[(Anonymous)]

^^ This.

[(Anonymous)]

Good analysis & it makes me feel less crazy. As one of the ones who tuned in this season looking for three plot-based stories and got something that felt to me more in line with what I'd see on How I Met Your Mother (stag night, drunken antics, an entire wedding ep, Christmas with the parents, surprise pregnancy, etc.), I was trying to figure out what the hell happened and why I hated it so much. The first two series weren't Breaking Bad, but they were enjoyable; this last one...blergh. Now it makes sense. I'm a plot-person, not a character-person, at least for this show.

[(Anonymous)]

"nowhere near as good as in the last season"

I didn't think the last series was very good, quite frankly. "A Scandal in Belgravia" was complete arse, "The Hounds of Baskerville" had potential but was ultimately rather meh and since I'm not a huge fangirl, I wasn't distract by "all the feels" for "The Reichenbach Fall".

[(Anonymous)]

I'm just like, "But where are the explanations? Plot Holes!!!!!!!1"

:/

Aaaannndd...now to wait two more years. Sigh.

[intrigueing]

I can't speak for season 3 because I haven't seen it, but Sherlock has been wildly overrated since its very second episode, IMO. Since 2010, it's just been the residual halo reflections of A Study in Pink creating the illusion of quality. It's all done with mirrors.

(I kinda really wish they had just somehow expanded and reworked that episode into a standalone TV movie, tbh.)

[(Anonymous)]

mte

[fingalsanteater]

The only thing this season did for me is make me ship Johnlock. And, I think that was the point?

[rubbertea]

I've never been one to moan about creators taking a long time to produce stuff, but fuck it. Three episodes every two years is laughable. I don't know what the reason behind that is, but it better be a good one -and I'm not even in this fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

I laugh at 3 episodes being called a season.

[iceyred]

It was never that good. It was fun, but not OMG THIS IS THE BESTEST SHOW EVAR!!11!ELEVENTY!!!1!!

That said, the fandom has annoyed me to the point where I now hope that Moran shows up, shoots everyone, and the series ends on that. So I can drink the tears of the dingbats spamming facebook and tumblr with their feels.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like the only person who loved S3. :(

[escriboconundedo]

all i could initially think about when reading this secret wete the people who, during season five of new who, were all 'WRITE CHARACTERS, NOT PLOT WAAAAAAHHHHHHH.'

[cloud_riven]

It's the third episode that brought it a bit down for me. I'm fine with fluffy filler episodes, and (re?)establishing what who means to whom, but I feel it should have at least carried that to the finale instead of the weird and unnatural shift back to "plot."

And it's not that Sherlock has ever been well paced, or the plot as intricate as Moffat and stans tend to believe, but I'm rather sad that this season left me so nonplussed with that last episode that I'm not even looking forward to the next. Twist? Meh.

[(Anonymous)]

I was never as big of a fan of Sherlock as most of the fandom is but I do think it lost whatever it had going for it in series 3.

And I'm normally someone who prefers character driven series, but it just didn't work.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it did seem like I spent this season waiting for something to happen, when in previous seasons I could watch each episode on its own.

[(Anonymous)]

It’s possible to develop the characters within the confines of a compelling plot, but that’s not what happened. Honestly, I don’t know what this season was, other than definitely not to my taste. If I can only have one, I’d rather have more plot than character development, but I could have accepted a season based on the latter if the development wasn’t so damn horrible.

Sherlock’s priority is no longer the Work, but John & Mary. John is so pathetically needy that he’s willing to stay with a woman who killed in order to make sure he didn’t find out the truth about her and leave her. Really? Not that Sherlock minds since he’s also perfectly willing to kill people just to make sure John doesn’t leave Mary. I won’t even get started on Mrs. Hudson, formerly of the drug business apparently.

Seriously, who the hell were these people? It felt like I was watching completely new characters, just with the same names. I get that time has passed, but this was a whole lot of inexplicable new and way too much just plain hard-to-swallow. And, I agree, too domestic & touchy-feely.

I can’t decide if my new headcanon is that this season didn’t happen at all, or if Sherlock and John died during the hiatus and this was their shared hell. Sherlock having to lose sight of the Work, his primary purpose now the protection of John & Mary while at the same time John doesn’t seem to give a rat’s ass about him. Meanwhile, adrenaline-junkie John winds up in a domestic horror show complete with a psycho wife who’ll kill to keep him (yeah, that’s the kind of person I’d want to be married to because look out if you ever try to leave) and, coming soon, a screaming baby to tie him to her forever. Surely they'd never submit themselves to these situations voluntarily. Maybe Crowley engineered the whole thing. It'd make more sense.

One last thing, if you only have three episodes once every one-two years, you DO NOT get to spend an entire ep on a smegging wedding. Your show is Sherlock, not Friends or Sex & the City.

[(Anonymous)]

But haven't Moftiss always maintained that this is a show about a detective, not a detective show.

*shrugs* I can get why there is mixed opinions but I still loved s3. It does actually get better on repeat viewings too. Ep 3 is the only ep I have a little trouble understanding overall (in terms of characterisation/motivation of characters).