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http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/01/30/ghiblis-hayao-miyazaki-says-the-anime-industrys-problem-is-that-its-full-of-anime-fans/

“Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know.”
“It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans.”
“And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!”

This also links to the original article for those of you who can read Japanese.

I think he's more talking about the actual animation rather than the plot, but both apply.

Edited 2014-02-04 00:59 (UTC)

He's right.

And it's not really surprising that he would believe this, either. What were the people getting angry expecting him to think?

For context, Miyazaki is right in the middle of the naturalistic tradition of Disney -> Japan -> Disney (via Lasseter) which is all about acting the performance and working from life model study. (Even when they're exaggerating the scene, they're exaggerating from real life studies, less from the cartoon tradition.)

And he's fucking right. I love how all of the weaboos in the ANN thread acted as if they know any better than a guy who has been in the anime industry for 40+ years. Like, really? Oh Miyazaki, I love you for your ability to piss off otaku and weaboos.

Sad, but likely true.

Four for you, Miyazaki. You go, Miyazaki.

He's right, but he's also preachy and full of himself. He's a prime example of a well-meaning person who does wonderful things and becomes too self aware of that fact.

Who gives a shit if he's preachy and full of himself?

He believes his own hype but in this instance he's completely right and I don't care if he's arrogant or whatever. He could be a total prick and he would still be right about otaku being terrible.

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From an animation/drawing standpoint - he's absolutely right. A lot of the character designs in anime & manga these days are fucking ridiculous looking. They're not based on anatomy; they're just pandering to otaku fanboys who want images of eight-year-old-girls with helium balloons strapped to their chests.

AHAHAHAHA YESSSSS.

I love Miyazaki even more now. What an awesome old guy. He knows what's up.

...who is this?

Hayao Miyazaki is a cofounder of Studio Ghibli and the director of an assload of some of the most famous, beloved, and critically revered anime films of all time, including My Neighbor Totoro, Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, and Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind.

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Hayao Miyazaki. In terms of influence, he's the Japanese Walt Disney.

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It's true, and that's probably why a lot of anime lately is so bad. Maybe the bubble will pop and we'll get a new generation who will learn properly...

What I just realized bothers me about this is the same thing that bothers me about a lot of other experts: he assumes the people creating and consuming anime expect it to be/believe it is the realistic portrayal of humans he thinks it should be. Do they think it is? No. Do they care? No, in fact, they don't want it to be. Is the point of this anime to be realistic? No. And that's fine.

This. There are plenty of realistic anime out there both style-wise and characterization-wise; there are also plenty that aren't.

That's like looking at shows like Supernatural or Teen Wolf or sitcoms and then complaining that they aren't realistic. Of course they aren't, because they aren't meant to be. Their exaggeration is a point. Hell, even most "realistic" shows like Law & Order or CSI exaggerate things or bend reality a bit for entertainment value.

If I'm watching a show about giant robots fighting each other, I'm sure as hell not watching it because I want it to be a realistic depiction of the human existence.

Yes, and he's completely right. Where was the wankstorm about this? I first saw this article posted to a gaming site, and the response was nothing but a chorus of "no shit, that's why I gave up on anime years ago".

The insane degree of fanservicey pandering is killing it for a normal audience, at least in the West.

http://m.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2818929
There you go.

The anime industry in Japan isn't doing much better iirc.

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I laughed so hard at fandom's reaction.

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forgottenjester - 2014-02-06 02:18 (UTC) - Expand

Makes sense.

Also, he smokes?

But did he lie? (No.)

And I know a lot of people had a problem with the "otaku" label, but in Japan otaku has different connotations and not all swell.

Director annoyed by fans, news at eleven!

...Why is this even controversial? In either direction. :/ Filmmakers say grouchy stuff all the time.

He's pretty much mostly correct...

eh, i both agree and disagree with this. i agree that there is definitely a larger amount of anime aimed at niche demographics, but at the same time, as a couple of anons said upthread, i don't think either the people who create it or the people who watch it treat it as being realistic. isn't that kind of the point of most of that kind of stuff anyway - that it's over-the-top and very much not like reality? like one of the anons said, that's like complaining that comedy sitcoms aren't realistic. hell, i love parks and rec but i would never pretend that it's at all a reflection of real life or that the characters are anything other than exaggerated tropes. that's what makes it so entertaining in the first place.

also, there are lots of anime out there that are more realistic in terms of characterization and less anime trope-y to the point where i would readily recommend them to non-anime fans. attack on titan, tiger and bunny, fate/zero, fma: brotherhood, guilty crown, psycho-pass, anohana, no. 6, and that's just in the past couple of years. all of them did well commercially, too, so there's obviously a good-sized audience for that type of anime.

i don't see a problem as long as the makers of the trope-y anime aren't trying to insist that their shows are totally realistic. if everyone involved recognizes that it's silly fantasy, what's the harm?