[ SECRET POST #2594 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2594 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

01. http://i.imgur.com/kHeFIER.jpg

[badass_tiger]

Cops angsting over wrongly treating suspects would certainly bring a fresh change from cops angsting over their relationships with each other.

[(Anonymous)]

I understand perfectly--I can't stand when police AUs or whatever have no idea how Miranda rights or guns actually work, and I think it's just a basic fact-checking issue.

[(Anonymous)]

It depends. For some more goofy cop shows it just feels like innocent wish-fulfillment, like "man, I wish I could just yell at this clearly guilty douchebag until he confesses, just like the way I wish I could have totally dodged 10 bullets and flipped my car without a scratch earlier this afternoon."

But it's jarring when it appears uncalled-out on a show that's ostensibly "serious" like Law and Order and such things.

[dreemyweird]

I agree. Even in Inspector Morse and Lewis (where this trope is present in a rather mild form) shouting at/insulting/physically assaulting suspects has always made me very uncomfortable. Seeing these scenes just makes me wish for the characters to stop.

It doesn't make me instantly dislike them, mind you (I love Morse <3), but I see how something worse than a simple insult/slap on the face can make a cop character completely unlikeable. Sure, the conflict between the law and the characters' moral intuition is always going to be a part of police procedurals, but there is only so much rule-breaking a character can do before they become an asshole.

[intrigueing]

I agree, but I sorta like it as well. It's that damn rule-breaking, bureaucracy-flipping-off glee kicking in.

This is why I like Life on Mars so much -- you get to have your cake of seeing all the modern rules and stuff get flagrantly ignored by Gene et al, but eat it too by seeing Sam be all rightfully appalled at it.

[(Anonymous)]

The crualty of it usually doesn't bother me just that it wouldn't work. People say everything you want to hear if you torture them enough.

[logicbutton]

One thing I always liked about Law and Order: Original Flavor was that violating suspects' rights tended to backfire.

I used to love SVU, but it's gotten SO BAD.

[(Anonymous)]

This is one of the reasons I loved the ending of The Closer. Because that shit caught up to Brenda Leigh with a vengeance.

[(Anonymous)]

I want them to do it more often honestly. Every show seems to have one of those we know what happend but we can't do anything because of procedure darn it episodes. Most of the time I just want to shout at them: for gods sake you have the evidence just find at newspaper and send them a nice anonymus photocopy or something!

[rubbertea]

It's even more disturbing in shows where the cops are portrayed as always right, always having the right intuition (name one cop show that doesn't have a 'you should always trust your gut feelings' moment), always suspecting the right person, and it makes me uncomfortable because real life doesn't work like that. Sometimes the cops are wrong, mistakes are made, and innocents are hurt, thrown in jail, or even killed.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god, so much this. I've had to stop watching most crime shows, because I honestly end up rooting for the murderers just because I hate the cops so much. ESPECIALLY L&O:SVU. (That asshole Stabler needs to be in fucking prison and I don't care what his rationale is.)

I would really, really, really love to see an Internal Affairs show. The only cops smart enough, tough enough, and dedicated enough to take down bad cops. Sworn to protect a police department that fears and hates them. I would watch the living shit out of that.

[meadowphoenix]

L&O SUV recently had an ep where Benson had gotten a guy to falsely confess because of the length of interrogation, and she was all guilty when they tried to find the person who actually did the crime.

And maybe this should tell you something about the state of the American Justice System, but most of the time they aren't breaking the rules. They toe the line and the toe it close, but they're actually within regulations.

For instance, if a suspect says something like "Maybe I should see my lawyer," according to SCOTUS, continuing to question the suspect is not a violation of Miranda, because it wasn't a demand/statement. Even "Can I see my lawyer" is sometimes iffy. There are tons of legal ways for the cops to be manipulative.

[making_excuses]

That annoys me, but what annoys me even more is the times the cops* actually murders someone and we are supposed to think it is okay. Mostly they murder their wife/child/partner/dogs murderer and are getting revenge, but it is still murder! Then they walk around being better than the people they arrest for doing the exact same shit...

*detectives, good guys and so on

[sabotabby]

I've been on the receiving end of police violence, and I know many people who've been on the receiving end of much, much more.

I can't really watch cop shows as a result. It's just nearly impossible for me to root for them or to accept a cop as a heroic character. Even a cop that I work with, with whom I had been getting along and seemed cool, told me that he was perfectly willing to bash my head in at a protest if he was ordered to do so.

[(Anonymous)]

What really bugs me when TV cops are extra rude and cranky towards witnesses (not suspects) simply because the witnesses failed to be in the right place at the right time and looking in the right direction to get the information the cops really need. Guys, you want these people to help you, don't make them hate you by acting like this! It's not their fault they don't know anything!

Then there's CSI, where they'd often act not just rude, but snobby because they were oh so much smarter than anyone else. Like that episode where the apartment building collapsed and Marg Helgenberger's character shows up, a guy asks why forensics is there and she's all "LOL, 'cause the building fell down, dumbass!" I thought, "No, that's actually a perfectly valid question. She's not a building inspector, she's with the police and even if the police should be involved in this case, it's not like he'd necessarily know that and he's within his rights to t least ask for an explanation."

[(Anonymous)]

I have been afraid of the police for my entire life. Part of it is to do with how I was raised. It was driven in pretty early that the police in America were not around to look out for me. But part of it is all the police shows and the way the police/detectives act in them. They are out of control. And they're even worse in real life.

[ill_omened]

They're also incredibly shit cops.

PACE compliant PEACE interviews 4lyfe.

(they dunk on the old style pressure interviews from a getting to the truth, not figures perspective to the point that they're getting adopted all over the world. Then again 'muricans still use lie detectors and torture like they're at all useful, fuckin lol)

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I'm kind of having a problem watching Chicago P.D. I really like all the characters, but sometimes I just remember how awful Voight can be. And he encourages the others not to play by the rules either.

[(Anonymous)]

My "favourite" is the times the cops on SVU threaten/try to put pressure on the suspects (or sometimes even witnesses) with PRISON RAPE.

You are investigating "especially heinous sexually based offenses" and your favourite form of pressure is rape? WTF

[(Anonymous)]

This is a big reason why I don't like most crime dramas. Like, if the supposed good guys are literally torturing people with no repercussions, how could I root for them?

[tabaqui]

Then don't watch 'Up the Lake', because the cops there - especially when dealing with minors - made me want to vomit. And then kick their asses.

[(Anonymous)]

I cannot stand SVU. Actually, the only L&O I half liked was CI, because at least Goren appeared to be legitimately semi-insane, and had a lovely partnership with Eames. But L&O as a whole is so far from my favourite franchise, and SVU alternates between genuinely making me scared of cops and making me want to punch them in the head. Why is Stabler still on active duty? I mean, also I'd like to ask why he isn't in prison, but at the very least he should have been cycled out of the unit, because he's obviously well past burn-out and into 'violently unstable and heading for crazy'. Seriously, why is this dude still working there?

There's a pretty simple solution to that

[elephantinegrace]

Watch Elementary.

In all honesty, though, I completely agree. There are about a bajillion ways for police to manipulate loopholes and do things that make me wonder if they should be arrested, and yet 99.9% of crime dramas that include manipulative detectives have them doing things that are blatantly illegal.

I get the whole "suspension of disbelief," "it's makes for a better story," etc. arguments, but still, suspension only goes so far before the story actually just becomes a big steaming pile.

[lynx]

I don't ever watch cop shows because of this. I have experienced police brutality (student uprisings in the last years), and my country keeps fresh the memory of times when police and military repression got people killed in cold blood. The only way I can root at all for a police character is in a fantasy/sci-fi setting in which real life rules don't apply. (ej: Robocop?)

I do know not all policepeople are awful, and I (mostly) respect the police IRL (unless they're from the anti-disturbance unit, they have my hate), but watching this attitude glorified in every show centering around the police makes my skin crawl.