[ SECRET POST #2596 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2596 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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03.
[The Croods]


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04.
[Elementary]


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05.
[Final Fantasy XIII]


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06.
[SCP Foundation]


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07.
[Philip Seymour Hoffman]


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08.
[Twin Peaks]


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09.
[Richard Armitage]


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10.
[Reign]


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11.
[The Hobbit]


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12.
[Hunger Games]


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13.
[Don't Hug Me I'm Scared]


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14.
[Teen Wolf]


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15.
[Panic! at The Disco/Dallon Weekes]















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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

12. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/398x373q90/853/0a3l.jpg
[Hunger Games]

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting line of thought! I hadn't thought of it that way myself.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I realized after I submitted this that I'm going to get some arguments because Katniss does something major at the beginning of book 1 (volunteering in her sister's place.) I don't really know how that fits into the mockingjay symbolism. (Maybe it's to prove she is capable of action, so it won't be surprising when she starts to act more often?)

Re: OP

[helenadax]

Tbh, I was about to comment that. Maybe the mockingjay symbolism means that the idea of the revolution can spread the way the mockingjays' songs do.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I think it means that too, actually. Collins used it for at LEAST three different meanings, some of them overlapping.

Re: OP

[diet_poison]

That occurred to me immediately, but I don't think it completely invalidates your point. You could argue that the volunteering put her in that position, and from there she was trapped for a while, because she really was.

Well, I guess the other Big Decision she made that helped determine her course was threatening to eat the berries with Peeta.

But even so, in many ways her course was set and she just had to ride it out. I don't think that takes away from her character - I just think her story was largely defined by, basically, how she was used by the various Powers That Be.

Re: OP

[theboundqueen]

I don't know if her volunteering to replace Prim was an action so much as a reaction though... so your symbolism could still stand.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

you came out too early. you h hould have awantied bue what's roworn gwith you you stupid secret submitted

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

You okay?

I'VE ONLY SEEN THE MOVIES

[fingalsanteater]

Other than taking action to protect Peeta and her family, she's playing the game inside the Arena and out and doing what she needs to do to win. I don't think that symbolism is perfectly apt, though I think you could make a case for it.

[(Anonymous)]

I never felt that Katniss was a weak character. I think that certain folks just want something to be mad about. That's why I ignore large parts of fandom. Fandom has been hugely, negatively impacted by Tumblr's insane bs.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think Katniss is a weak character. I just think she's a terrible narrator, which drags the books down.

[(Anonymous)]

^^^^^^
This this this.

I love Katniss. She's kickass, but the last book especially was SO FRUSTRATING to read. Having your main character cutting herself from the action during a good chunk of the book isn't a very good thing when there is so much things going on that a reader wants to hear about!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if it makes her a weak character, but I found her to be a very flat character.

I also found her to be whatever the plot needed her to be, when it needed her to be. If she needed to be smart, she put things together no one else did, otherwise she missed so many things in the name of foreshadowing.

But oh my God, yes, she was an atrocious narrator and I hated the books largely because I just wanted her to shut up! I mean, I had other issues with the books, but her narration was the worst.

[ceiling_fan]

Most definitely. It kind of links with my previous comment about how I loved FFXIII saga and partly it's because it is about how a somewhat average person being shoved in a series of cosmic mess, and while all they wanted was to protect their loved ones, they have no choice but react to becoming a symbol of heroism.

The problem is that I don't think I will be able to stand FFXIII if it was narrated by someone who writes like Collins, and have internal dialogues like Katniss.

My other issue is the one that I have with lots dystopian stories written by writers of first world countries. I can't explain this well, except that I got the vibe that Collins have never truly lived in a disordered society and it shows.

[fauxkaren]

You're not alone, secret maker.

I think it's a pretty hard theme to miss, tbh. But uh, apparently people seem to miss it.

But like... the climatic moments of each book revolve around Katniss saying "fuck it, I'm not playing your games" and reclaiming her power after everyone has been trying to use her as a pawn.

I always thought this was the point and was confused by the meta.

[nyxelestia]

Of course she's just responding to her situation as it happens - that's the point of her character. She doesn't want to start a revolution or be a symbol or do any of that - these are things that just happened to her and she's trying to minimize the damage as she rolls with it.

Like, seriously, her only goal is to keep her family safe. That's what I liked about her character, that she isn't someone who set out to change the world at all, she was just the person to fall into the role because someone needed to fill it.

I was so confused about people complaining about her lack of agency. Did they not realize that was how she was supposed to be?

That said, I actually didn't catch the symbolism with the mockingjay. Thanks for pointing that out, OP! :D

[(Anonymous)]

I think most folks were too busy hating on Mockingjay for its 1st person limitations and random tragedies to even think about why Katniss was even the way she was.

One of my friends went from "OMG Katniss fukkin roxxx" to "why is this stupid bitch leading this crazy mission like this?!?!?!" before settling on "oh well, it's just another crappy YA novel, Battle Royale was probably better."

[i_paint_the_sky]

I'm joining those people who are shocked that anyone didn't pick up on this. Katniss is an awesome and strong character, but she is definitely reactive for the majority of the series, instead of proactive.

But when she does react, she tends to be made of win, like the line in my icon comes up. Actually, her proactive moments tend to not end all that well.

[nachtmusik]

You're completely right and I've always wondered this myself. Katniss started out being more like an animal than a free-thinking person. Her only concerns were protecting her family. That's where volunteering right out the gate came from. She didn't do it to fight any injustices. She just did it so her sister, who she's almost instinctually protective of, wouldn't get killed. She's a great character, but it's like people forget that she became a revolutionary on accident and actually tried really hard to not be a revolutionary because that isn't safe.