[ SECRET POST #2617 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2617 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

i think a lot of you are not understanding this secret. the op didn't say anything about it not being ok to gush over guys. the secret straight up says that if people exclusively go for male-dominated media and actively avoid anything with a notable amount of women in it then the op thinks that is sexist. well, it is. if you avoid women in your media as a pattern then it's likely because they are women and that's really basic sexism.

[(Anonymous)]

I think "being sick of people talking about their male crushes" actually does imply that the OP doesn't like people gushing over guys, actually.

And, honestly there actually are reasons not to gravitate towards female-dominated media besides the actual presence of women. I love female characters, and almost all my favourite characters are women, but I don't tend to enjoy a lot of works that have female protagonists, because those works often employ tropes that I don't enjoy (romance-related tropes, basically; I don't like romance in general). Films, books, and TV shows that have male protagonists, large numbers of male characters, and are geared towards men, are usually (though not always) less romance-driven than ones with female protagonists, large numbers of female characters, and geared towards women. Now, that's an issue with sexism in the industry, but I fail to see how it's sexist on my part.

[(Anonymous)]

that sounded more to me like op being frustrated with the sexism. if you have something forced down your throat often enough it should really come as no surprise when you find yourself being sick of it.

i think your reasons are entirely valid and not sexist at all but personally i think you're an exception to the rule when it comes to reasons people avoid female-dominated pieces of media.

[reppu]

I don't think ayrt is the exception. I would much rather have an action oriented show with as little romance as possible, mostly because I think a lot of shows don't give you enough character development to justify their random pairings. I also hate romantic jealousy plots. Not too many female heavy shows that exclude those tropes. Do you know how happy I was that Frozen had familial love over romantic love? I would watch the shit outta shows like that, but you don't see them often. Makes me sad. Even shows I want to love like Rizzoli and Isles get to me because OMG THE CITY IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE but I gotta tell this dude that were not gonna work out before I save folks kthxbai.

[diet_poison]

guh, romantic jealousy. I hate it. And I love romance (I mean I love a lot of things and enjoy a lot of things that aren't romantic, but I like romance a lot too) but romantic jealousy can just take a left; it's almost always grating.

[diet_poison]

that sounded more to me like op being frustrated with the sexism

but gushing over male characters =/= sexism

[(Anonymous)]

We get what OP is saying, but like with all secrets that have sweeping generalizations, we doubt how legitimate it is. Judging people who "only" go for male-dominated media is a huge waste of time unless the people in question say they're only interested in male-dominated media. Otherwise, how can you spot the people who just happen to be in male-dominated media (since most media is, in fact, male-dominated) versus the horrible she-hating sexists? You really can't unless the people in question are owning up to it already.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

Determining that someone who happens to be in media that has a lot of guys to be actively avoiding women is arbitrary policing and is misogynist in itself as if women need to be infantilized and told what they should or shouldn't be involved in.

[(Anonymous)]

You (and the OP) are simplifying an incredibly complex problem and then pinning all the blame on certain women.

There is sexism in the industry which results in tropes being linked with the sex of the characters, there is sexism in society which trains everyone to view the male perspective as the "normal" perspective and the female perspective as a niche perspective which can prompt girls and women to identify with male characters instead of female characters because that seems more "normal" even when in reality that's bullshit. Then there's all the shitty things society tells everyone about sex and gender and how they relate - and maybe that filters out into women wanting to use male sexuality to express and explore their own because they've been told all their lives that their sexuality is wrong or a weapon or both.

And all this relates to the larger issues of sexism in society - not specific women being sexists for not identifying with/being interested in media with lots of women.