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⌈ Secret Post #2622 ⌋

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I saw a wonderful powerpoint on tumblr about this...

link?

I should have been specific - the response is about Western viewpoints for anime;

http://the-wolfbats.tumblr.com/post/78822278751/hisanakagami-hisanakagami

(the person with the commentary deleted their post)

MAN, of course mine posts after you find the powerpoint, since I take forever. Sorry for the double spam, even if mine has faf's response to the reply.

They kinda lost me at "femininity is a tool" and saying that weaponized femininity is bad. because that sounds like the whole "Real Women never Wear Dresses" crap.

It does strike me as rather sexist to be like "Masculinity? Mkay. femininity just a tool to brainwash and control. You can only be masculine"

What's really sexist is saying that one is inferior and one is superior. We should accept feminine people and masculine people as equals.

I've seen a lot of people read it like that, but I have to disagree. I read it as more like, there's nothing particularly revolutionary about femininity, because it's expected. Not that it's a bad thing to own it, of course.

Re: DA- Just saying

(Anonymous) - 2014-03-09 01:28 (UTC) - Expand

I think the poster criticizes "weaponized femininity" because it portrays girls fighting with magical nail polish or some bullshit. Instead of pretending that some sparkly symbol of femininity is equally powerful to an assault rifle we should instead redefine femininity itself. Paint the guns pink or whatever. Weapons aren't inherently manly.

Except for swords. And spears. And clubs.

phallic symbols

You should see the shit that went down over the pink Nerf guns line.

Re: DA- Just saying

(Anonymous) - 2014-03-09 03:19 (UTC) - Expand

Painting the gun pink is weaponized femininity though.

Re: DA- Just saying

(Anonymous) - 2014-03-09 05:33 (UTC) - Expand

That's the freaking post that said Misty is sexualized in the show? Okay, I can't really take them seriously.

I don't think most of Ash's female companions and female player characters are overtly sexualized via camera angles and actions placed on them, but I feel like most of outfits are fairly skimpy for ten year olds when compared the male designs.

That's a fair point. I mean, we are talking about the franchise that took 6 damn generations to let us freaking play as a girl who wears pants. Still, I feel like calling it sexualization is... a stretch.

It also said the sexualization might have been cut from the American dub. I can believe that. When I watched Pokemon as a child/young teen, there were some scenes with Misty that definitely seemed like some dialog had been watered down to make it less sexual. I also got on the internet and found out that in the card game, there's a card where she's naked for no apparent reason (that was also never brought into the English version).

It's pretty likely that was the case; 4kids made numerous edits and cuts to the series and outright banned some episodes.

This site's dedicated to the edits between the Japanese and American dubbed episodes, but currently the server's over capacity: http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/

I'm sure once it's not capacity, you would be able to find some examples of what that tumblr poster was talking about.

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Okay, I'm pretty skeptical. <stereotypical nerd voice>I know a lot about Pokémon and dub censorship</stereotypical nerd voice>, including having read a large portion of Dogasu's Backpack, and I have never seen anything involving Misty that I would qualify as sexualization. There was the beach episode, but uh, the only person really sexualized in that one was James. If you can find me some examples of Misty being sexualized in the anime, I'll make cheese for you, but until then I remain disbelieving.

The card game isn't really relevant here, because it's almost entirely based on the games and not the show. However, while the card in question, Misty's Tears, did indeed show her naked, I would argue that it's about as un-sexual of nudity as possible, and is probably meant to represent purity more than anything else. Others may diagree.

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Was in the Japanese version, Misty was a girl who like to flaunt her 'sexiness'? Because that part of Misty was not translated over into the 4Kids dub.

Plus there was those comics by that one hentai artist dude where Misty is pretty much drawn in a male-gaze-y light.

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vethica - 2014-03-09 03:26 (UTC) - Expand

Well, the whole "Japanese masculinity and femininity are the result of Western imperialism in the Meiji era" is lol worthy levels of batshit, but aside from that that poster actually makes quite a few good points. Especially about how rigid Japanese gender roles can be re: femininity, whereas in the West women get a lot more leniency.

Was it the San Japan one with the rebuttal that got ultimately got the Japanese user chased off of Tumblr? I have a link to that if it is (although the one I reblogged that actually had the powerpoint seems to have disappeared):

http://theroguefeminist.tumblr.com/post/77878054834/fandomsandfeminism-hisanakagami

I tried to pull a Tumblr that had all the responses collected/was readable, so sorry if I failed on that account.

It is - actually your link is better than mine because my blog isn't too legible for nested comments.

Yours does have the powerpoint itself, though! Everywhere I tried looking either posts too regularly for a quick search or redacted it after the fact.

(DA)

They... chased off the Japanese user?

I wish I was surprised about that, really. I saw that post before that and I didn't know anything had happened until now. Now I'm not sure if I want to know details about that...

Anon that posted the second link, and yeah, they did. I went looking for more posts when I saw that one going around last month only to get the "enter password" screen on Tumblr. I managed to find some cached links on Google that showed a reblogged good-bye post where the user stated she was leaving because she was tired of receiving racist hate messages or hates messages about her being trans* after that post got so much attention.

It was depressing, but I wasn't surprised, either.

*forgot to add that the female pronouns were her preferred ones, in case anyone was concerned.

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