[ SECRET POST #2634 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2634 ⌋

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[Lady Gaga]


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[free!, attack on titan]


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(Panic! at the Disco)


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(Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.)


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Comments

Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, Disclaimer: Attention-grabbing subject line not withstanding, this is genuinely not meant to be a troll thread.

It's something I've been thinking about a lot over the last few weeks, and I have to admit I'm getting more and more angry about it. so here's the issue.

Men Vs Women: Is there any way at this point that the imbalance can be righted? Is there anything the community of men can do at this stage to make any kind of amends? Is there any way of putting right the last few million years of rape and abuse? For want of a better word: can they be redeemed?

As I say I've been thinking about this for a few weeks, and I don't think they can. This makes me sad and angry. but I am willing to be proved wrong. PLEASE remember that I am not trolling, and please keep responses friendly.

Re: Men Vs Women

[the_missing_y]

Would you be willing to accept a written apology?

Re: Men Vs Women

[kaijinscendre]

Only if it has been notarized.

Re: Men Vs Women

[comradesmiler]

Blanket term much?
I don't rape and I don't abuse. So you might want to rephrase that.

Re: Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

...you're a dude?

Re: Men Vs Women

[caecilia]

yes but it is up to women to train them long live the matriarchy

Re: Men Vs Women

[intrigueing]

Yeah right. Who's "they"? I'm fairly certain the men who are alive today haven't been alive for the past million years, so what do "they" need redeeming from?

True, they need to acknowledge society is structured in a way to enable them and to work to restructure it to enable men and women equally, but that's just common sense, not a "redemption".

Also, protip: saying "I'm not trolling" doesn't magically mean you're not trolling when you so transparently are.

Re: Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. They can not engage in rape, abuse, and/or other negative behaviors towards women, and they can work with women in attempting to rectify inequalities enshrined in cultural infrastructure.

Men don't need to make amends for things other men are doing right now, let alone what men have done for several million years. (Be respectful of women's caution, yes, they should do that, but that's about being a decent person, not making up for something.)

Re: Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

For starters, there is no such thing as a single community of men and the current ones are not responsible for anything done by their ancestors. They, as women, are only responsible for their own current behavior and as long as they don't act like asshats and keep things on equal basis, they have nothing to redeem.

For example, my dad has nothing to do with some caveman hitting a cavewoman on the head with a rock.

Re: Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

You say this isn't a troll thread...but I think that may have been a fib.

Re: Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

The reason people might think you're trolling is not because of a provocative subject line.

It's because you're using a claim that a lot of this community finds questionable or disagrees with - sometimes vehemently - and asserting it as fact and using it as a springboard to a further question.

Re: Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

"Men are irredeemable, but I swear I'm not trolling!" Right.

As for your question, at some point you have to say the past is irrelevant to the future. Because nothing done today can change it. But that doesn't mean the future can't be better, because believe it has r not, sons aren't automagically guilty of the sins if their fathers.

Re: Men Vs Women

[loracarol]

I honestly don't think that rapists and abusers should be "redeemed", personally; if an individual wants to make amends with the person that hurt them, that's their prerogative, but they shouldn't feel like it's necessary, if that would be harmful to their mental health.

That being said.

I don't think that men need to be "redeemed". Fuck that. Unless the person you're specifically talking about is a rapist/abuser, they haven't actually done anything wrong, other than identify as a man. So fuck that idea, and fuck this idea that they need to make "amends" for something that they didn't actually do.

Re: Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

If you are really genuine, you really should have planned this post about a bit better, or at least worded it better. Specifically, "community of men" and "last few millions years of rape and abuse, (not that that hasn't been happening, but that just reads as an over-exaggeration to get people riled up)" and really both those sentences give me the vibe that your pretty set in your ways and nothing can convince you that they can be redeemed.

Re: Men Vs Women

[kallanda_lee]

Tumblr is leaking.

Radfems vs. People

[(Anonymous)]

OK, Disclaimer: Attention-seeking subject line notwithstanding, this is genuinely not meant to just be a joke.

It's something I've been thinking about a lot every time radfemanon posts, and I have to admit I'm getting more and more discouraged about it. So here's the issue.

Radfems VS People: Is there any way at this point that the insanity can be cured? Is there anything the community of humankind can do at this stage to get through to the radfems? Is there any way of putting their heads right so they understand that not all men are rapists, not every man should be punished for what another man in history has done, that replacing the patriarchy with matriarchy is counterproductive to equality? For want of a better word: can they be redeemed?

As I say I've been thinking about this whenever radfemanon posts, and I don't think they can. This makes me sad and angry. But I am willing to be proved wrong. PLEASE remember that this is not entirely a joke, and please keep responses rational.

Re: Men Vs Women

[forgottenjester]

Re: Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm. They may be able to make amends with lots and lots of make-up sex. As a term of atonement, I'm going to have to insist they engage in extensive cunnilingus, and also make me dinner. Then we can talk over the terms of the compromise.

Re: Men Vs Women

[dethtoll]

Hi radfemanon, I was wondering when you'd be on spring break -- how goes your sociology major?

A) If you have to insist that this isn't a troll thread despite a very obvious troll subject line, it's a troll thread. "i r not troll :) pls be nais 2 me, u irredeemable rapests <3" isn't going to work, sugar cookie.

2) Perpetuating that men and women are two separate segments of society and one AS A WHOLE is irredeemable is, uh... where's the part where you stop trolling? Men aren't a "community" and neither are women.

D) "last few million years" LOL WUT

Re: Men Vs Women

[diet_poison]

Men, like women, are not a monolith.

They are a demographic of individual people.

I think you need to stop thinking about "the crimes of men" or whatever as being simultaneously committed by all men. It doesn't work that way.

Re: Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

Teal deer please? No time for wall of text between raping and abusing women.

Re: Men Vs Women

[greenvelvetcake]

I believe men, as a whole, can be redeemed with a simple blood sacrifice. I'm a little fuzzy on what numbers we should be talking about here, but I'm definitely thinking there should be some thrown-into-a-volcano action going on.

Also, chocolate. And none of this Whitman's Sampler shit, it's Godiva or go diva into a volcano.

Re: Men Vs Women

[(Anonymous)]

As far as I'm concerned, the balance isn't THAT far out of whack, only men actually living today and personally guilty of committing crimes have anything to make amends for, and you, OP, need therapy. Or possibly to just stop consuming media that present men in such a relentlessly negative light, and/or hang out with a better class of men.

It's okay

[insanenoodlyguy]

I had a talk with the boys, and we decided to all forgive ourselves.

Now we can move on!

Re: Men Vs Women: tl; dr serious response

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, let's assume this is a serious question! I know in my college sociology-elective days I did think things like this sometimes, without being a troll, so who knows?

For what it's worth, I have known feminists of all kinds, including some with very fringe beliefs. I have never met anyone who thought currently living men owed them anything in recompense for Paleolithic rapists (or even the past few decades' worth of rape and abuse).

I don't know that making amends for "the last few millions of years" makes all that much sense. History's not a monolith even within cultures, and we can assume that pre-history isn't either (if modern chimps have cultural differences, our Australopithecus and archaic human ancestors probably did, too). But even if it were, rape and abuse aren't original sins transmitted on the Y chromosome. They're not something you can do penance for and eventually erase or outweigh. It's not just that history and prehistory are too big -- it's that the project doesn't make sense in the first place. Even if 100% of all male ancestors prior to 1990 were rapists (not a real statistic!), the best we could do now is try to be better. That's just how time works.

Men (and women) who have committed rape and abuse can try to make amends to the particular people they've hurt. If that's you, be careful not to be pushy about it -- don't demand forgiveness or talk about wanting to harm yourself. Just let them know you're sorry and leave it to them to decide the next step.

It's probably better to focus on what you can do now to make the world that you live in safer and happier for people of all genders. You can support organizations that advocate for the victims of sexual violence, you can work for better laws and speak out against casual (or not so casual) sexism, you can let your friends know that this is an important issue for you.

You can't put the past right, because it's the past. But you can do good things in the present and try to make a better world for the people around you.