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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-03-24 06:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #2638 ]


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(Anonymous) 2014-03-24 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, do remember it, Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them. If you can't see how one is worse than the other, you need to hand in your "humanity" card right now.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Look, the real world does not exist on Tumblr's definition of the world. Most women don't go around terrified all the fucking time.

And what the fuck does a TV show/movie/whatever objectifying a character have to do with that? You think a murderer is going to watch a show that doesn't objectify women and be like, "Well...I WAS going to murder some women tonight. Instead, I'll just go take a soothing shower."

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
plenty of women are sure as fuck uncomfortable around groups of men they're unfamiliar with for safety reasons

12 year old girls get harassed in the street by grown ass men

you don't have to be ~terrified all the fucking time~ to acknowledge that there is a problem

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
This.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
[i]Most women don't go around terrified all the fucking time.[/i]]

This - and more importantly, men don't spend their entire lives plotting rape and murder.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
rape and murder aren't always plotted or planned, which honestly makes it all the scarier. regardless, that men raping women is so common gives many women plenty of reason to be wary of men, and i hope nobody here is implying that's ridiculous - or rare, because it is neither of those things.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
If that the case, men should be terrified about going out in public too. They are the biggest victims of murder AND violent crime.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Keep trying, MRA shitstain. When a man is killed, people aren't told, "He was asking for it by being there." When a woman is raped, the first thing asked is, "How much did you have to drink?" "What were you wearing?" "Are you sure you're not just regretting having sex with him?"

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Going to chime in here, you do know that isn't actually true? I worked for the police as a dispatcher/jailer for 2 years. I know the internet has filled your head full of lies about "rape culture" and such, but if that happens it is by far the exception, not the rule.

And when someone is murdered of COURSE they want to know why the victim was there and whether or not the victim did something to prompt the murder (which can help find motive and thus the killer).

Though if your house gets robbed, that is one case where police do ask if you did something like that. "Were your doors locked? Do you have any place that would be easy access?", etc.

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(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, a lot of men are - black men, hispanic men, middle eastern men, gay men, trans men, et cetera.

women are victims of more rape than any other gender group, and rightfully many of them are wary of the biggest perpetrators of violent crime (men)

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
see here's the thing

the fact that men don't feel threatened when walking alone down a street at night when they experience what you claim, while many women do, is exactly the problem.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed. Men are far, far more likely to be murdered than women are, but the culture around it is different.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
And rape culture doesn't exist.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
lol try again

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
RAINN says it doesn't. You know, RAINN that website people always quote for rape statistics and such?

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
RAINN also considers only unwanted penetrative sex to be rape and doesn't count prison rape statistics.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 06:46 am (UTC)(link)
rainn never said that, they said that it's "unfortunate" that people are more focused on eliminating rape culture, which is difficult, than going after rapists in particular. rape culture is a societal issue that is perpetuated by almost everybody, but most of those people aren't rapists, even if their attitude is enabling and dismissive at best.

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(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Speak for yourself.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
This - and more importantly, men don't spend their entire lives plotting rape and murder.

No, they don't spend their lives planning it, but somehow it seems to happen a fucking lot of the time. For something as simple as wanting to leave a guy, he can decide she doesn't get to live, or laughing at the size of his dick, or preferring someone else's dick to his, these are offenses for a fucking lot of men that seem to make murder and rape totally okay "in the heat of the moment". "She drank too much", "she wouldn't stop doing drugs", "she was passed out and my friends were laughing at me for not doing it", "her boyfriend was in our house holding my kid"....these are real excuses vomited up by these worms at the police station afterwards when their rage dies down. It happens in the USA and everywhere in the world. So no, maybe they don't plan it, but it seems to happen all the fucking same.

If I turn a corner on a street or go into a party I've been invited to and see strange men standing in groups, is it right that my first thought is generally whether I should 'risk' it or just leave? It's not right. Especially since I'm certain that's not a man's reaction when he's faced with groups of women he's never met before.

I work with a giant of a 27 year old man. He lives in a vastly different world than I do. When he walks down a street at night, he never looks over his shoulder. When he walks to his car in a deserted parking lot, he's never nervous. He walks into parties without ever worrying about who's there or whether he should have come with someone.

Men can be raped and assaulted, absolutely, but it's NOT the same as it is for women.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed with this. If you're a grown woman, you will have experienced fear of sexual assault being committed against you, even if it was just the vaguest of worries. Most men will never go through that. Theirs is a confidence you can't gain.

New anon speaking

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
I am a grown woman and I have experienced that fear, but it was only that. I don't have a car, so over the years I've trusted men to drive me places occasionally. Strangers, acquaintances and coworkers, bosses: men who had nothing to lose by taking advantage of me. I was afraid sometimes, but none of them ever did anything. Now I can't help but be less afraid because just as other women's experience has trained them to be, my experience has trained me not to be. I can't believe this is as rare as everyone I know says it is. I'm completely average. I'm not special enough to have some magical invisible assault repellent.

Re: New anon speaking

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
You're missing the point, though. No one is saying that most women go through life in a constant state of fear, but that at some points in their lives, they will have experienced that fear. And that when women find themselves in certain situations, the fear is likely to arise. Whereas men will find themselves in the same situations and not think anything of it.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
Men are more likely to be murdered AND be violently assaulted, so...yeah.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
I hear this a lot, but what are the exact statistics backing this claim? What studies do they derive from, and what research parameters do they employ? Do they survey a normal population of both sexes, or do they also take into account violence committed in the context of organized crime?

In any case, even if physical assault is statistically more likely to happen to men, that doesn't mean it's something women don't have to fear. You think a woman has nothing to worry about every time she comes home late from work? Walks through a "bad" neighbordhood carrying a handbag? Is alone at home at night? The fear of sexual violence is just the lovely cherry that gets added on top of this shit.

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(Anonymous) 2014-03-25 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
BY OTHER MEN.

Just sayin'.

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