[ SECRET POST #2641 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2641 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://oi57.tinypic.com/1z5sqav.jpg

[rubbertea]

'i don't want you to marry this person because i don't like their family' is a pretty common feeling for relatives to have; very self-centered, but common.

[(Anonymous)]

Not necessarily self-centred at all: it depends why they don't like them.

[rubbertea]

very true, but still. you marry someone for who they (or the green card, or their money, heh) are, not for who their relatives are.

edit: i accidentally a word

[sarillia]

I thought Elsa had both selfish reasons and reasons that were about what was best for Anna. Isn't that how these things usually go with family?

Is there a lot of talk about how wonderful she was for telling Anna not to marry someone she just met that I haven't seen?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I just see a lot of "the coronation disaster was all Anna's fault!" and "Elsa was so completely right why did Anna have to be such a brat?!" Which bothers me, because when it comes down to it, Elsa was pretty much saying that her sister would have to stay a hermit for no reason for the rest of her life, or get the hell out. Elsa trying to control Anna without thinking about Anna's feelings wasn't particularly noble of her.

Re: OP

[sarillia]

Hmm, I haven't seen that. That's sad. I think Anna is adorable and that you have a good point. Elsa was being reasonable this time and it would have all worked out if Anna had listened to her but there's no telling what would have happened if Anna had met someone more suitable and threatened Elsa's secrecy.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I see this all the fucking time. I know how you feel OP.

[belacqua]

I don't think wanting to avoid killing people is self-centered? But yeah, she could've been more sympathetic to Anna.

[caecilia]

she was already under a ton of stress and then anna sprung that on her come on

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's a little unfair.

She's been having trouble controlling her powers for years and her parents did a very poor job of helping her by telling her to shut away her feelings and isolating her from other people(though well-intentioned it was still abysmal parenting), and Anna came to her about this when she was already very anxious and standing in a room full of people for the first time in years.

She was very level-headed about turning her down and saying they'll discuss it later before trying to walk away. I'm sure she would have told Anna to get to know Hans more before marriage, and maybe handled how to deal with the extra family, if they'd had that talk. I think it's expecting too much of anyone very anxious, let alone worried they might hurt someone accidentally and be called a monster, to have something that outrageous thrown in their face and think they should have that little bit of extra consideration in the moment.

[forgottenjester]

I think the second reason you mention is also a legit reason.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, Elsa did try to talk to Anna one-on-one ("Can I talk to you please? ALONE?") presumably to explain her secret, and it wasn't until Anna denied her request that Elsa completely shut down and said, "You can't marry a man you just met."

But that said, I kind of agree with the OP. Elsa is so CLEARLY uncomfortable when Anna says "Wait, would we live here?" (the way Elsa's jaw kind of drops and says "HERE?!" always makes me laugh, btw) that her rejection of the entire relationship comes off as pretty selfish. The way she tells Hans to leave implies that she doesn't want Anna to see him at all, which is a lot more harsh than it needed to be. I (and Anna, probably) would have understood better if Elsa kept a level head and said, "You two are moving too fast, try courting for a bit and see where this goes" but instead she just straight up tells Hans to go. Of course, I can't blame Elsa for not keeping a level head, not after everything she's been through, but I do understand where the OP is coming from. Elsa's motives for rejecting the marriage did seem a little more selfish to me than other fans seem to admit, and that's probably why Anna got so upset with her in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not entirely selfish when you realize that more people running around means higher chances of killing someone.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I guess it is pretty selfish to not want to kill people.

[darkmanifest]

So tell Anna she has to go live at Hans' palace where they can both be safe. Aside from Hans' probably shutting that idea down, someone who's that afraid of hurting people, particularly her sister, probably shouldn't keep her sister trapped in the palace with her.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, she did tell Anna to leave, if she couldn't "live like this anymore", didn't she.

[(Anonymous)]

She didn't say Anna couldn't date him. Just that she couldn't marry him right away. It's pedantic.

[darkmanifest]

Sure, but when you have an Idiot Ball plot, characters can't be allowed to utter the one sentence likely to defuse a problem before it starts. Everybody has to chirp at each other in passionate glossolalia for maximum fuckery to ensue.

I'm confused

[(Anonymous)]

What's with all the "Elsa didn't want Anna to marry Hans because Hans is a sociopath?" That's not why she didn't want Anna to marry him. Elsa didn't know Hans was a manipulative asshole until the end of the movie. Hell she thought he was a good guy! She asked him to take care of Anna when she was running away again from the castle in the last arc. "Just take care of my sister." ...??? Anna and Olaf were the only ones who knew Hans wasn't a good guy in the last arc until the end before Hans tried to stab Elsa.

Wait nevermind

[(Anonymous)]

Just re-read the comments and wow I totally misread everyone. Y'all please excuse me I'm a dumb-dumb and lacking sleep. Carry on.

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't understand why no one told her anything? At all? Her parents, her sister? I mean, I get initially why they wouldn't have when she was younger because they were doing it for her safety and kids aren't exactly smart sometimes so yeah I could see them being worried that she'd coax Elsa into playing again and getting herself injured again. But...why not when she was older and had developed a better cognitive ability to understand? Like I mean why? Really? Then the coronation scene would never have happened because she'd understand why Elsa was so hesitant about people. I mean it makes it seem like Frozen's plot entirely hinged on Anna being left out in the dark. Did they not trust her or something? If so, that makes me really suspicious of the parents... Add onto the fact that they went and actually altered her memories (did she even find out about that at all? it didn't seem like it to me...) and the entire movie really creeped me out on how Anna's character was handled.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm assuming the worry that remembering would undo what was done to her memory, causing her to freeze. They altered her memories to KEEP HER ALIVE.

But hey. I guess it's better if she turn into a tiny, frozen statue.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry I feel like I'm phrasing my question badly, my bad. :(

I'm not asking why they altered her memories. I know they did it to keep her alive, I guess it just bothered me since I have my own issues with blank spots in my memory. But I thought initially that were wasn't even a possibility that she'd "remember" the incident to retrigger the ice wound because they altered her memories? Remembering implies that they'd still be there but I got the impression that they were wiped for completely new ones and you can't remember what you don't have? At least that's how I took it.

[(Anonymous)]

I assumed they were worried that finding out Elsa's secret would...I dunno, retrigger the memories or something? Reopen the wound?