[ SECRET POST #2641 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2641 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, I am not a SJW, but I don't get how this is so hard. "Race" can be really ambiguous because how we define it can be really arbitrary. That being said, dark skin tones tend to equal disadvantage, especially if you have a dark skin tone and features that aren't clearly European white.

A shot of a very very pale white lady saving dark skinned slaves doesn't strike you as a little cringe-worthy? I don't think this is a SJW thing, because it's not a far out crazy observation. It is still white savior, at least in the TV series.

[(Anonymous)]

dark skin tones tend to equal disadvantage, especially if you have a dark skin tone and features that aren't clearly European white.

Where? I have no disadvantage when I visit a country north to mine with paler people, like the Netherlands or Denmark.

[(Anonymous)]

...are you seriously going to argue this.

[(Anonymous)]

That the world is not America? Yep.

[(Anonymous)]

oh yes, nowhere but America are people disadvantaged for having dark skin. let me present my own personal white person anecdote as evidence. racism is an American thing. etc etc

[(Anonymous)]

But that is not the argument that you've stated. Should I just assume at this point that you're a troll out to make zero sense and only rile people up? I think so, yes.

[lotesse]

American book, American show = legit application of American sociopolitics

[(Anonymous)]

I think a non-white person is pretty qualified to argue that non-white people aren't necessarily privileged in places outside of America/Europe.

[(Anonymous)]

Not when they actually /disagree/ with me!

[(Anonymous)]

lol my sister has tan skin and she's as privileged as can be. Tan-ness isn't the only determinant of racism, o obfuscating one.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. Classism is another story.

[(Anonymous)]

Visiting a country =/= living there. Living somewhere you'll quickly discover prejudices you never had to think about when you're traveling.

[(Anonymous)]

(AYRT and who has actually lived in different places other than her home town and country)

But many of those prejudices aren't based on race but on non-being-local.

[(Anonymous)]

Or religious. Muslim in Netherlands or France or Switzerland? Doesn't matter the tone of your skin one bit.
Also the Germans didn't care if you're black or white, just if you were Jewish or had Israeli (which is ethnically white) descent, or an untermensch Slav (again white).

[(Anonymous)]

lmao yes tell me more about the continent I have actually lived and traveled into, plus North Africa where I come from in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

My mother tans up as dark as a native Indonesian, which probably saved her life during the communist purges in Indonesia (she's of Chinese descent).

It's almost like the American model of race was developed for American circumstances and can't be applied the world over unmodified because the world is a complex, fucked up place?

[(Anonymous)]

That's crazy talk!

[(Anonymous)]

"dark skin tones tend to equal disadvantage, especially if you have a dark skin tone and features that aren't clearly European white."

Where? You can't answer the US or Europe now, tho, because that leaves the rest of the world and dozens of countries where dark skin tones are the majority. We've built our own societies without constantly relating ourselves to white people so that line is extremely condescending.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh you're asking what areas that aren't the US or Europe have problems discriminating against darker skinned people?

Latin America
Africa
Asia (especially India comes to mind, as well as between South-east Asians and lighter skinned East Asians)
Australia

...hmm, is that list all? Yes, even in non-white majority countries there is still a problem. Where you blame white colonialism or whatever, you can't pretend this isn't a problem. Unless you are honestly ignorant? Okay?

[(Anonymous)]

This comment would make more sense if you weren't lumping Latin America as if it was homogeneous group of countries with the same discriminatory issues.

[(Anonymous)]

lol I never said there weren't any problems. My point is that the narrow definition of dark skin tone that usually gets thrown around isn't an indicator of inequality in a lot of places. Anti-blackness, of course, but taking the secret as an example, most of the people in the scene from the show were probably middle class and that's the median tone for that country so no, you don't get to say that any dark skin tends to lead to inequality everywhere.

Racism isn't the same in western and eastern Asia or Africa either. It's not that the west hasn't had its hand in creating problems but many, MANY of those cultures came up with their own prejudices against much darker skin tones (usually that it signaled someone of a lower class because they worked under the sun more) away from white supremacy so not everyone's going to be, or HAS to be as concerned about a show that doesn't pertain to their experience as much as you think it does.

[(Anonymous)]

But, you know, racism against people doesn't exist, not even when it's a white person living in a non white society. They are always the privileged ones.

[(Anonymous)]

Not the topic. nice try at derailing, though.

the funny thing is I would be agreeing, I think institutionalized racism can affect a white person in a non-white majority country. but this is so irrelevant right now, and kind of seems like you're trying to make it seem like it's an equal problem, or that it justifies racist media portrayals

+1

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, especially for casual viewers.

[(Anonymous)]

Uhhhhhh you should probably clarify that you're talking about America here. Because this is most certainly not the case around the world.