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[ SECRET POST #2642 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2642 ⌋

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[Homestuck]

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03. http://i.imgur.com/BVCZgbY.gif
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[Michelle Lee]

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[Ping Pong the Animation]

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[Lord of the Rings]

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14. [SPOILERS for Pandora Hearts]

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15. [WARNING for sexual/emotional abuse]

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You're right but you're also victim blaming. Everybody should be safe at all times and act accordingly and then it isn't their fault if they've put themselves in an unsafe position.

True. But unfortunately we live in a world of evil with creeps like this. This isn't a case of turning the wrong alley and being attacked. This is a case of going to stay over at a stranger's house. I don't think that is particularly smart.

Sure, but the majority of the girls who watch his videos were probably unconfident teenagers. Alex buttered hem up, said sweet things to them, and was 'kind' enough to let them stay round his house. I'm sure there are many failed attempts where Alex tried to invite a girl over, but refused. It may not be smart, but YouTube vloggers can make you feel like you know the guy.

No, that's bullshit. I'm sorry, but sometimes it IS your fault if you act like a fucking dumbass. I'm not saying anyone deserves to be coerced or anything, obviously, but if you go camping outside someone's house then you're inviting trouble.

When grown adults in their mid 20's still carry on with shit like that, then yeah, they're pretty stupid, but most of these girls were 14-17 when they were taken advantage of by someone who had power over them. And teenagers tend to act like dumbasses because, fuck, they're teenagers. They simply should not be held to the same standards as adults.

What you're doing is victim blaming and taking responsibility away from the asshole who "profited" from their naivety, anon. That's a douchey attitude and you should cut that out.

14-17?!!! Where the hell were these girls' parents? From what I've read, most of these girls came from out of town to stay in Alex's house. What were these parents thinking with being fine with their kids staying at a barely not a stranger's home? (They knew Alex through his youtube channel.) It's the parents' job to watch over their kids because like you said, teenagers tend to act like dumbasses. So you need adults to make sure they last for another day. Where were the parents?

They weren't girls aged 14-17, they were young men and women 18-23. Tom Milsom was the one who was sleeping with an underage girl and that was in America (it would have been legal in England where Alex Day lives).

Did you not read the posts? One of the girls said she was 14, another said she was 17. Or are you one of his stans insisting all these allegations were false?

If you put yourself in a dangerous position and something happens to you, yes you're partially at fault. Doesn't mean you deserved it, just means you should have heeded the countless warnings you've gotten in life about doing stupid shit that could get you hurt or killed. I don't care if it's victim blaming because I'm not stupid enough to think that because someone wore a certain outfit they were asking to be raped. And I don't think these victims deserved to be raped or have anything else happen to them. But I do think that people between the ages of about 14 and 25 need to wake the fuck up about personal responsibility and stop putting themselves in dangerous positions and then acting like they didn't. Go read the accusations against Alex Day and then explain to me how none of those LEGAL ADULTS put themselves in a stupidly dangerous position despite the fact that they're textbook stupidly dangerous positions.

Ugh, that one girl who didn't really know Alex but had no problem going to his bedroom and lying on his bed. Where the hell was your common sense? A guy you don't know really well invites you to his bedroom to lie down in bed with him? Whose "Creep Radar" wouldn't go off at this? Ew.

But I do think that people between the ages of about 14 and 25 need to wake the fuck up about personal responsibility and stop putting themselves in dangerous positions and then acting like they didn't

As a 24 year old, there is a world of difference between the mentality of a 14 year old and someone in their mid twenties. A kid doing something without thinking it all the way through should not be judged or held to the same standards as a 25 year old. Because, holy shit, teens are stupid and easy to take advantage of.

Okay, but the problem is we live in a society that tends to place the entire blame on the victim while completely ignoring the actions of the bag of dicks that hurt the victim. "oh well hurf durf she walked home late at night, what was the idiot expecting? XD" is a fucking wretched mindset completely bereft of any empathy and it's disappointing to see it be so prevalent. What you're doing is not helping combat this issue.

The person who hurts the victim bears all the moral responsibility. They're the only one who did something morally wrong. But that doesn't mean the victim didn't make mistakes.

Of course, but it's not like society needs a reminder that victims share responsibility when it seems to put all the blame on them already.

Obviously society DOES need a reminder that victims share responsibility otherwise these girls wouldn't have GONE TO HIS HOUSE TO STAY THERE FOR SEVERAL DAYS.

Yeah sure, reminding people it's their fault if they face sexual assault will surely stop people (especially teenagers) from making foolish decisions.

We have bears where I live. We have rules about how to store trash so it doesn't attract bears. Every few years someone doesn't do what they're supposed to and a bear will wander into our neighborhood. Sometimes the bear kills a dog that's outside, sometimes it just scares us all half to death and then animal control lures it away. And then no one neglects to do what they're supposed to with their trash for the next few years.

Real life examples of consequences are proven to discourage people from making decisions that lead to them. Even sexual assault.

Being all "IF YOU GET ATTACKED, IT'S YOUR FAULT" is still not the way to fucking inform people to be on their guard, dickhead. Plenty of people get attacked or sexually assaulted by doing nothing to bring it upon themselves. Fuck, doing something as mundane as grocery shopping can result in sexual assault, whose fucking fault is it then?

not PP but CONTEXT!
People get attacked by bears while harmlessly taking a walk in the forest. Nobody tells them it's their fault. But if people ... dunno ... camp out and leave food lying around and a bear attacks them, well ...
BUT nobody would speak of victim blaming here, right? because you just can't go point a finger at a bear and say OMG you evil!
Saying the victim is partially responsible does not relativize the deed, but it does have an educational effect.

...I'm not sure that's the case, or else harsh sentencing would be more of a deterrent to people committing crimes.

I suppose I don't think there's any utilitarian purpose to pointing out that someone making less stupid decisions wouldn't have been victimized in these particular cases, I just object to people denying the blindingly obvious. Like, don't rub it in with the victims, just get them help, and don't use it to excuse the offenders, just punish them, but by all means tell other people "Don't do these stupid things."

The point is: men aren't bears. They are supposedly sentient. And shouldn't be kissing 14 year olds no matter where they are.

The fact of the matter is, if you put yourself in a dangerous situation, the danger is probably going to affect you.

If you get in a car, you better not expect medical treatment when you inevitably crash. after all, you put yourself in a dangerous situation.

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And why should it be a dangerous situation? A 14 year-old girl should be able to go anywhere without being assaulted. In a civilized society. The dangerous situation is created in the criminal's mind.

okay, sure, if you lose all sense of nuance and sense.

these were young, preteen to ten fangirls. hey, maybe when you were 14-17 you were above any kind of idolatry of authors or singer or franchises, but the fact remains these were fangirls of youtubers whose appeal is specifically molded around appeal to these girls and these guys, a good bit older than them (19-21) specifically came onto them.

and then proceeded to try and initiate sexual relations with people they KNEW idolized them to some degree (not to mention vulnerable in the sense of being younger and inexperienced), using coercive and manipulative tactics if they in any way resisted.

like, how young does "underage" have to be for you to start thinking maybe the LARGE MAJORITY of the onus goes on the asshole who deliberately sought out young, naive girls that were predisposed to trust and idolize him and used their inexperience and idolatry as a way to get away with treating them like shit? 13? 12? 10?

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