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[ SECRET POST #2651 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2651 ⌋

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Fanart is just one single piece of art, whereas fanfiction is a long bit of fiction using copyrighted characters.

What about doujinshi?

I don't personally approve of that, either. Unsure if that's allowed in the states?

Why don't you "approve" of it? You do realize that many original creators realize doujinshi of their own work, yes? Also, regarding whether or not it's legal in the USA -- how is that even relevant?

It's relevant because of different cultures. It works in Japan because it isn't as litigious of a society and doujinshi prices aren't designed to really make a profit, they're designed to offset the costs of printing and travel expenses for cons and such. Once doujinshi artists start making solid livings off it, things would change. Doujinshi can be a stepping stone to legit original works, just like pulling a 50 Shades can.

If Western fan artists were getting so high-profile they were paying their way through college off of slash fanart shit would get real and copyright holders would start paying attention.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-07 12:14 (UTC) - Expand

Well it sure as hell is allowed in Japan.

Legally, it is not allowed - at least, if whatever company decided they didn't like it, they could theoretically sue. But companies see it as good advertisements so they don't try to stop it.

There have been cases of Japanese companies suing people who try to make more significant money off of fanworks though.

Doujinshi exists for both fanart (usually comics but sometimes just illustrations) and fanfic though. There isn't any divide like in the English-speaking fandoms.

+1

Plus doujinshis are always printed (which creates a printing cost always), instead of being digital copies with a marginal cost of 0.

I love doujinshi. I have nothing to add.

Wow, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

No one buys fanfic, just suck it up!

I would never in a million years dream of trying to earn money on my fics, that is not the point! All I said was that that reasoning didn't make a lick of sense.

How doesn't it? A piece of fanart is what it is. It's a picture. You look at it and can see that you like it. You like all of it. You generally can't do that with prose. IMHO, that a big part of why fanfic doesn't sell (and yes, I've known people to print out their fic or to do "flash fic" for money at cons. It doesn't usually do so well). You see a piece of art at a con and you want to be able to see it whenever you want, nice and framed, so you buy it. Knowing that a fic is worth it takes a little more time. Books can sell at cons, but people generally trust a book to have had some quality control.

A fic is also a story. Which is generally what the thing it's based on is too--a book/movie/game/show/comic. Story is at its essence. Story is what it sells. A piece of fanart may be one of those "illustrations that tells a story" but it's never really more than a beat in time, so, not really a whole story. Usually it's not even that--most fanart that sells well is based on pinups. It's not the same thing. But you can't sell fancomics (in America, of American-owned properties)--that's "story."

Zines, though...zines occupy a nice grey area. I suppose if more fic writers wanted to get in touch with the Olden Days, and start putting together zines, they could sell those.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-07 20:32 (UTC) - Expand

I would if I could. And I don't spend a penny on fanart, just suck it up!

Yeah, that's totally fair to people who spend hours on commissioned fanart. And one piece of art depicting copyrighted characters is TOTALLY different from having those same characters in word form. Totally.

Except it is? Fanart is immediate, you know what you're getting. Fanfic is a waste because 1) you have no clue if it's good until after you've spent money on it, 2)once you've read it, what more can you do with it?

LOL, are you for real?

How is it immediate if you're commissioning it? You're still going to have to wait until after it's finished to receive it. You can tell if somebody's art is good by looking at their past works, same with fanfiction, and when you commission, you're not going to know if it's good until after you've paid for and received it, either. Your second point just dismisses people who would commission for fanfiction. If I commissioned art, I don't expect to do much other than look at it and save it to my computer (prints aren't my thing), and if I commissioned fanfiction, I wouldn't expect different.

I don't know from online, but at a con, you can generally tell if you'll like an artists' work enough to commission them within a minute or two at the most. That's really not so much the case with fanfic.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-08 03:02 (UTC) - Expand

Fanart is immediate? Whose art have you been commissioning who draws so fast? You also don't know if the art's good until you've bought it and after you've seen it, what more can you do with it?

Regarding 2), so do you never buy books?

I once bought a couple of pieces of fanart (two, at the same time, from the same person). I did not get it immediately, in fact it took her around four months to make, and two or three months for me to pay off before she mailed them.

I do not resent paying for them, because they were well-crafted items. But immediate? No fragging way!

I don't agree with the previous commenter, but I think they mean the experience of looking at a piece of fanart is immediate -- it is what it is, it looks like what it looks like, and whether or not it's technically well-executed is trivial to determine with some amount of objectivity.

Obviously there's latitude for personal taste, but broadly speaking, it's immediately obvious whether a fanartist is "good" or not.

You have to spend some time on a piece of fanfic to know whether the author's any good, and time as well to tell whether or not they're telling a story that you are going to find personally rewarding to read. It's a much greater time investment than looking at a piece of fanart.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-08 15:22 (UTC) - Expand

Fanart is immediate, you know what you're getting.

Actually, no, no you don't. Even if you've seen the rough draft.

/bitter commissioner whose artist did a stellar rough draft.. then completely botched the outlining/coloring, the resulting picture looking rather hideous as a result.

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